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Google hiring Beagle leader

Post by Tsuroerusu » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:58 pm

http://news.com.com/2061-10803_3-602463 ... &subj=news
"Jon Trowbridge, the Novell programmer who led the Beagle desktop search tool Linux, has left to become an open-source developer at Google. Trowbridge announced the move in December on his blog, saying Novell's Joe Shaw will take over as maintainer of the Beagle project, Shaw and Trowbridge said.
Shaw announced Beagle 0.1.4 in late December.
Novell is hiring to fill Trowbridge's post, Trowbridge pointed out last week.
Beagle is part of the GNOME desktop interface software project most often used with Linux."


Interesting that the leader of GNOME's desktop search project goes to work for Google who is ALL about searching and indexing stuff :wink:
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Post by CptnObvious999 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:11 pm

I'm thinking they are going to bring Google Desktop to linux ;-). YAY. I don't use beagle because its for Gnome and I run KDE and Kat sucks. I just hope they don't use GTK (even though they probly will) since it doesn't integrate nicely with KDE.

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:25 pm

CptnObvious999 wrote:I'm thinking they are going to bring Google Desktop to linux ;-). YAY. I don't use beagle because its for Gnome and I run KDE and Kat sucks. I just hope they don't use GTK (even though they probly will) since it doesn't integrate nicely with KDE.
Yeah I agree, I think Google might port some of it's apps to Linux sooner than people might think, after they hired the lead Gaim developer I've had a hope that they would release Google Talk for Linux, because the sound quality of that one is very good, it's a little bit different than Skype. Skype tries to allow you to do other things on the web at the same time, while Google Talk uses all the bandwidth it can for maximum sound quality.

I think I know why all the commercial proprietary software developers always use GTK, and it's because it's free, as in beer, for them to use, if Google were to develop their desktop search with Qt they would HAVE to get a commercial license from Trolltech, which is quite pricy if you need to have 20 developers working on it.
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Post by CptnObvious999 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:51 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:I think I know why all the commercial proprietary software developers always use GTK, and it's because it's free, as in beer, for them to use, if Google were to develop their desktop search with Qt they would HAVE to get a commercial license from Trolltech, which is quite pricy if you need to have 20 developers working on it.
I don't think they have to purchase a commercial liceanse if it isn't for profit. Couldn't they use the KDE API? Or would that make it impossible for Gnome to use?

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CptnObvious999 wrote:I don't think they have to purchase a commercial liceanse if it isn't for profit.
Ye they do, let's look at the facts: The Windows and Mac versions of Qt is released under the GPL, not the LGPL like GTK is, and the GPL requires any program that links to it and or includes code from it to also be released under the GPL. The X11 version of Qt, which basicly runs on any major UNIX/UNIX-like system our there is released under the GPL AND the QPL, the GPL part of the deal here does basicly the same as with the Windows and Mac version, but the QPL allows for distribution under open source licenses such as the BSD license or the MIT license (Which is basicly the same thing). What these facts basicly mean is that if you want to write proprietary closed source software using Qt, you HAVE to have a commercial license from Trolltech, because that allows you to bypass the terms of the GPL, which Trolltech can do because they own the copyrights to Qt and the rights to publish it under another license. So what this means is that if you want to write cross platform closed source software, you can't use Qt free of charge, if you want to write cross platform free software (I consider the GPL a free software license and stuff like the BSD license an open source license) then you can freely (Both as in price and freedom) use Qt to do that under the terms of the GNU General Public License.

CptnObvious999 wrote:Couldn't they use the KDE API? Or would that make it impossible for Gnome to use?
Well, the KDE API is built on Qt :lol: :lol: :lol:

Both GNOME and KDE are under the GPL as far as I'm aware, some parts might be under the LGPL, because the LGPL is basicly a compromise between the BSD licensing philosophy and Richard Stallman's free software philosophy. The LGPL allows proprietary apps to link to it, so taht you can write proprietary apps using GTK without violating a license.

This is basicly a very smart trick by Trolltech, because by paying them for a commercial license of Qt you are allowed to bypass the GPL.
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Re: Google hiring Beagle leader

Post by CptnObvious999 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:17 pm

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CptnObvious999 wrote:I don't think they have to purchase a commercial liceanse if it isn't for profit.
Ye they do, let's look at the facts: The Windows and Mac versions of Qt is released under the GPL, not the LGPL like GTK is, and the GPL requires any program that links to it and or includes code from it to also be released under the GPL. The X11 version of Qt, which basicly runs on any major UNIX/UNIX-like system our there is released under the GPL AND the QPL, the GPL part of the deal here does basicly the same as with the Windows and Mac version, but the QPL allows for distribution under open source licenses such as the BSD license or the MIT license (Which is basicly the same thing). What these facts basicly mean is that if you want to write proprietary closed source software using Qt, you HAVE to have a commercial license from Trolltech, because that allows you to bypass the terms of the GPL, which Trolltech can do because they own the copyrights to Qt and the rights to publish it under another license. So what this means is that if you want to write cross platform closed source software, you can't use Qt free of charge, if you want to write cross platform free software (I consider the GPL a free software license and stuff like the BSD license an open source license) then you can freely (Both as in price and freedom) use Qt to do that under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
What if it isn't proprietary? They have already opened the source to use the google talk VoIP protocal (now called jingle) and they are using Jabber which is already an open protocal so all thats left it the frontend basically so why wouldn't they opensource it? I see what you mean by them not using Qt though, I just wish it would integrate nicely in KDE :roll:

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:31 pm

CptnObvious999 wrote:What if it isn't proprietary? They have already opened the source to use the google talk VoIP protocal (now called jingle)
I don't think so, Google licensed the technology so I don't believe they can open source it without serious lawsuits up their ass.

CptnObvious999 wrote:and they are using Jabber which is already an open protocal
Google Talk uses it's own Jabber compatible protocol, it's not 100% jabber, you need a GMail account to use Google Talk, so there ya have it.

CptnObvious999 wrote:so all thats left it the frontend basically so why wouldn't they opensource it?
You could say the same thing about Apple's Mac OS X Aqua GUI, but I don't think Google will open source their stuff in the same way that Sun open sourced Solaris, because it's the GUI that makes stuff compelling and gives them a compedetive advantage, which is why I consider Red Hat and Novell compeditors and not enemies, the free software philosophy and open source models allows them to be compeditors and not enemies like Microsoft and Apple.

CptnObvious999 wrote:I see what you mean by them not using Qt though, I just wish it would integrate nicely in KDE :roll:
Yeah, but you know what, if Gaim gets Google Talk support, the Kopete developers could just take all of Gaim's GPL'ed Google Talk implementation and put right into Kopete which would intergrate Google Talk into KDE :wink:
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Re: Google hiring Beagle leader

Post by CptnObvious999 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:43 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:
CptnObvious999 wrote:I see what you mean by them not using Qt though, I just wish it would integrate nicely in KDE :roll:
Yeah, but you know what, if Gaim gets Google Talk support, the Kopete developers could just take all of Gaim's GPL'ed Google Talk implementation and put right into Kopete which would intergrate Google Talk into KDE :wink:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111426
"*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** "
Hopefully this will be implemented in Kopete soon. I don't want to wait till KDE4.

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:38 pm

CptnObvious999 wrote:https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111426
"*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** "
Hopefully this will be implemented in Kopete soon. I don't want to wait till KDE4.
Well, looks like you're gonna have to wait :wink:

Or you could just set up an Asterisk box of your own or something if you hunger for VoIP :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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