Debian founder Ian Murdoch comes out against Ubuntu

Post by **Patrick** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:39 pm

The quote comes towards the end of the article:
http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:53 pm

also fun:

an entire page of Slashdot talking about how crappy they find Debian to be:

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/1 ... 90&tid=106

saves me all that typing.

Love,

A Fedora User

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:23 am

As both a Debian _and_ an Ubuntu user, I find Ian comments a little surprising. My hope is that the net result is that the Debian guys will finally get Sarge release and start moving a little quicker. However, I still believe that Ubuntu has been good for Debian, and has enabled a lot more people to get involved in Debian. Moreover, my impression is that Ubuntu is more aligned with the Debian repositories than any of the other Debian-based distros (Knoppix, Mepis, Xandros, Linspire, Lycoris, etc, etc)

Post by **Patrick** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:12 am

And this from Ian's blog:
http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html

I think the best suggestion I heard was that Debian become the server install while Ubuntu becomes the desktop install. Have a common base and add upon what is already there. It sounds like the Debian are feeling a lot of heat from the momemtum of Ubuntu. No release in over 2 years is absolutely ridiculous. The Debian people need to come to grips with reality.

mike · Post by **mike** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:21 pm

Ubuntu is getting the problem that when a distro gets popular, some linux folks HATE its sucess.
Mike

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:29 pm

the Debian guys sound like the XFree86 guys -- revolutionaries as young men, dictators and roadblocks as old men.

The XFree86 project had a board of old parasites frustrating the young turks actually doing the code. x.org was born.

It seems to me that Ubuntu has much more legitimacy than Debian -- it's doing the work and making the sales. Debian should just die and become an exhibit in the museum.

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:28 am

Anonymous wrote:Debian should just die and become an exhibit in the museum.

I think that is a little harsh - Debian still has a legitimate place within the Linux community, particularly on servers, IMHO.

One of the LugRadio mob was suggesting that Debian place itself as a kind of 'meta-distribution' off which other distro's based themselves, which is kind of what is happening at the moment.

snecklifter · Post by **snecklifter** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:20 pm

I too think that is a harsh comment. Debian has a deserved reputation for being a rock solid distro. Ubuntu has come along and is stealing the limelight in a sense. I think there is a huge frustration in the debian community with the lack of development taking place on Debian. Its hard to laugh at the Longhorn lead times when Sarge has been so badly delayed I feel. Still, I think people are being a little eager to jump ship - its a lot like when a new coffee shop opens in town. Everyone heads off to see what its like and the old owners are left feeling a little unwanted. I'd like to see what position Ubuntu is in a year from now. That should be two releases on. Despite Shuttleworth's millions I dont think the model can be sustained.