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Just watched Kevin Carmony's keynote at DesktopLinuxSummit live, what he had to announcement was:

* Linspire starting a community-driven project called Freespire (http://www.freespire.org).

* Open sourcing Click'N'Run.

And a bunch of other stuff, I missed part of the keynote so I can't list it all.

If other distributions include Click'N'Run, the users will be able to purchase a legal DVD player, MP3 playback, Windows Media etc...
Linspire will be LSB-compliant, so with a pacakge conversion utility such as alien, it should be possible to buy Windows Media playback and stuff with CNR and install on say SUSE, which could be done on the fly by CNR, so that it's transperant to the average user.

The video stream is still going on, Nat Friedman will be on soon, you can watch it with RealPlayer (I found the official RealPlayer to work the best) or a player like MPlayer than knows RealMedia.

Stream URL:
http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/mark ... 060412.smi

Speaker Schedule:
http://www.linspirenow.com/dls/comingsoon.htm

Open sourcing CNR sounds like very good news for the Linux community, but how exactly is Freespire any different than Debian?

Wally Balljacker wrote:but how exactly is Freespire any different than Debian?

I'm quoting off the main page of freespire.org:

* Is powerful enough for the most sophisticated Linux user or developer, yet easy enough for someone completely new to Linux.

* Is available with 100% free, open source software or with the option to include legally licensed, 3rd party codecs, drivers and software.

* Legally supports (or has one-click access to support): MP3, DVD, Windows Media, QuickTime, Java, Flash, Real, ATI drivers, nVidia drivers, Adobe Acrobat Reader, proprietary WiFi drivers, fonts, and so on.

Tsuroerusu wrote:

Wally Balljacker wrote:but how exactly is Freespire any different than Debian?

I'm quoting off the main page of freespire.org:

* Is powerful enough for the most sophisticated Linux user or developer, yet easy enough for someone completely new to Linux.

* Is available with 100% free, open source software or with the option to include legally licensed, 3rd party codecs, drivers and software.

* Legally supports (or has one-click access to support): MP3, DVD, Windows Media, QuickTime, Java, Flash, Real, ATI drivers, nVidia drivers, Adobe Acrobat Reader, proprietary WiFi drivers, fonts, and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if CNR is open sourced, couldn't Debian or Ubuntu offer the same legally supported proprietary stuff? It seems like Linspire should just focus on making Debian, and the already countless Debian-based distributions better, instead of producing yet another offshoot.

Wally Balljacker wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but if CNR is open sourced, couldn't Debian or Ubuntu offer the same legally supported proprietary stuff?

Indeed they could, Linspire is already talking to Mark Shuttleworth about including CNR in Ubuntu, watch it though, the big bad Qt apps are coming!

Wally Balljacker wrote:It seems like Linspire should just focus on making Debian, and the already countless Debian-based distributions better, instead of producing yet another offshoot.

Well, I think they're doing kinda the same thing as Red Hat did with their Fedora project, as Novell has done with their openSUSE project.
I think Kevin's keynote will be available for download later, I'll post a link ASAP.

You can thank Klik for all of this, because basically that is what Klik is.... CNR for everything Debian, but still works on many other distros (like Slackware) just fine.

I've posted a blog entry about this:
http://pdavila.homelinux.org/blog/?p=113

Judland wrote:You can thank Klik for all of this, because basically that is what Klik is.... CNR for everything Debian, but still works on many other distros (like Slackware) just fine.

Are you sure about this? I though t click-n-run was just their repository front-end.

"Why the Hardware OEMs Won't Do Desktop Linux
Rob Enderle, President and Principal Analyst, The Enderle Group"

I can tell you in one half sentence - because of microsoft's ILLEGAL monopoly and practices.

why did they have this guy - I hope everyone leaves when he talks - I would not want to hear anything this pencil pushing weasel has to say.

he needs to go back to utah and sit with darl and his buddies.

his group has done anything - all he does is open his big mouth and he thinks he is an expert. my dead grandma knows more than him.

jsusanka wrote:"Why the Hardware OEMs Won't Do Desktop Linux
Rob Enderle, President and Principal Analyst, The Enderle Group"

I can tell you in one half sentence - because of microsoft's ILLEGAL monopoly and practices.

why did they have this guy - I hope everyone leaves when he talks - I would not want to hear anything this pencil pushing weasel has to say.

he needs to go back to utah and sit with darl and his buddies.

his group has done anything - all he does is open his big mouth and he thinks he is an expert. my dead grandma knows more than him.

Yeah this Rob Enderle retard has been talking trash for like forever, man we need to use Dann on him, like this: AIM.. AND FIRE !!!!!!! POISON GAS ATTACK!!!!!!!!!

Snarkout wrote:Are you sure about this? I though t click-n-run was just their repository front-end.

I wasn't quite clear. What I was meaning was that (at least this is how I see it) CNR is going open because of competing technology like Klik. Klik does the exact same thing, as far as I can tell, and is free in every which way. It also has a goal of making all Debian apps "klikable". Isn't Linspire based on Debian, too?

So, as Klik progresses and gets better, why would you pay for CNR?

Also, CNR is for Linspire, while Klik will run not only on Debian distros. but others as well. This ability is already available with Klik, mind you. CNR isn't there yet.

I just see this as the Linspire team seeing "the writing on the wall".

But that's just my opinion.

Judland wrote: So, as Klik progresses and gets better, why would you pay for CNR?

Can you purchase a legal DVD player in Klik? Of course I know the answer is no. Also I don't think Klik apps are intended to be permanently installed on your machine. CNR is more like apt-get but with access to proprietary apps that you pay extra for.

That's true... on both points.

They still ain't getting any of my money. I'd rather give that money to Kanotix/Knoppix/Klik as this will benefit more people of the GNU/Linux community.

I guess that's the underlying motivation to many of my actions for the past few years.... the community.

Patrick wrote:Can you purchase a legal DVD player in Klik? Of course I know the answer is no. Also I don't think Klik apps are intended to be permanently installed on your machine. CNR is more like apt-get but with access to proprietary apps that you pay extra for.

Plus, to be honested, I think CNR is eaisier for the mega-newbies to use.

Judland wrote:Also, CNR is for Linspire, while Klik will run not only on Debian distros. but others as well. This ability is already available with Klik, mind you. CNR isn't there yet.

That's not exactly true, because Linspire is a member of the DCC alliance, and they aim to be LSB cimpliant, so you could in theory buy the deb package for Windows Media playback, and use alien to convert it into an RPM and install it on Red Hat Enterprise, SUSE or whatever distro that's LSB-compliant.

Yes, I can see how clicking on a big blue icon from the Klik website can be confusing to many people.

Tsuroerusu wrote:That's not exactly true, because Linspire is a member of the DCC alliance, and they aim to be LSB cimpliant, so you could in theory buy the deb package for Windows Media playback, and use alien to convert it into an RPM and install it on Red Hat Enterprise, SUSE or whatever distro that's LSB-compliant.

But would you call that an ability of CNR or alien? Sounds like more like hacking rather than a simple install.

I don't know about the process you mention here, but if it's a deb package, could you not do that with any deb package, not neccessarily those available from CNR?