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SLED 10 sure looks good, but what I'm wondering is will there be community support for it?
Since the distro is targeted at business, users will be seeking assistance with their IT departments or Novell directly.
The major SUSE discussion sites do not have forums for SLED 10, of cause it is early. Will experienced SUSE 10.1 posters switch and fuel SLED discussion?
I would like to try SLED 10 but not if there isn't an active community behind it.

granduke

I'm sure there will be community support for SLED 10; but where, I'm not sure. You can actually get free novell support for SLED 10 by subscribing to the SLED newsgroup from the Novell New Server. That is where I go for most of my novell support.

http://support.novell.com/forums/index. ... av4_forums

It's a community forum but Novell Tech Support assists.

granduke wrote:SLED 10 sure looks good, but what I'm wondering is will there be community support for it?
Since the distro is targeted at business, users will be seeking assistance with their IT departments or Novell directly.
The major SUSE discussion sites do not have forums for SLED 10, of cause it is early. Will experienced SUSE 10.1 posters switch and fuel SLED discussion?
I would like to try SLED 10 but not if there isn't an active community behind it.

granduke

The problem with using SLED 10 without a subscription from Novell is that updates are part of the deal you pay for, so you can't get security updates and stuff like that for free.
Since SLED 10 is so much like SUSE 10.1, it's not that big a deal, I think the difference is only the extra usability stuff, the new GNOME menu, overall integration and polish.

You can get community support for almost any distro these days, I don't see why SLED 10 will be any different, plus you should be able to install RPMs packaged for SUSE 10.1 on SLED 10 for VLC, MPlayer and stuff like that.

On the SLED 10 topic, I am running SuSE 10.1 Community Ed. or OSS whatever its called.

Buggy and slow. Do the paid versions such as SLED tend to be better? I have used CentOS, Fedora Core, and Red Hat Enterprise and I dont see that big of a difference as far as usablitly.

Thanks!

schotty wrote:On the SLED 10 topic, I am running SuSE 10.1 Community Ed. or OSS whatever its called.

SUSE Linux 10.1 is the name

schotty wrote:Buggy and slow.

Just use Smart as your package manager and it's fine.

schotty wrote:Do the paid versions such as SLED tend to be better?

SUSE Linux 10.1 can be download freely from the internet or purchased with a manual, 90 days of installation support and all the six CDs (32-bit) and a big-ass dual layer DVD (32-bit + 64-bit).
There is NO difference at all between the two.

Popular hype still say that there somehow are differences, even though SUSE has been making it quite clear that there are no differences.

The reason the package management in 10.1 is so broken is because it is brand new and was introduced late in the development cycle, I think the reason was a combination of two things, number one, the developers underestimated the time and resources it would take to integrate the new package management system, plus I could imagine some pressure from Novell, as this new package management system is very advanced and might have been needed quite a lot for their enterprise release.

SLED stands for SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, and this is the REALLY well tested, robust desktop product from Novell, and this one is what Novell will be making it's money off of.

schotty wrote:I have used CentOS, Fedora Core, and Red Hat Enterprise and I dont see that big of a difference as far as usablitly.

That's because there are none

Red Hat doesn't really do anything special for their enterprise products besides the usual hairy-ass testing and Q/A, plus certification for all kinds of different software and hardware. But besides all that and the classic Red Hat artwork, they don't do any usability enhancements as far as I know.

The reason you'll notice differences between say RHEL 4 an FC5 is because RHEL 4 is based off of FC3, and if you go compare FC3 to FC5 you'll notice big theming changes and lots of differences in GNOME as the versions are vastly different.

Thanks for the clarifications.

I had heard that SuSE10.1 was the same, but wanted verification. As you are well aware, the only major competitior to Novell, Red Hat, has long had practice at this and has no real problems at all that I can whine about.

I will give smart a whack and provide feedback if anyone cares. From the podcast a bit back I recall hearing nothing but greatness about smart.

Thanks again!
Andrew

schotty wrote:Thanks for the clarifications.

I had heard that SuSE10.1 was the same, but wanted verification. As you are well aware, the only major competitior to Novell, Red Hat, has long had practice at this and has no real problems at all that I can whine about.

Well, to to be fair to the SUSE guys they have released a big patch for the package management stack (http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/7 ... code10.png) and yet it's still quite slow, it does work, it still has a few kinks here and there regarding dependency resolving, but it's not totally broken. Novell delayed SLED 10 in order to adress all the issues with the package management system, and I'm quite sure they will released those fixes for SUSE Linux 10.1 as well.

schotty wrote:I will give smart a whack and provide feedback if anyone cares. From the podcast a bit back I recall hearing nothing but greatness about smart.

Well, that's because Smart IS great!

Just to give you a little helping hand here:

First of all, download these packages:

http://download.opensuse.org/distributi ... 1.i586.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/distributi ... 0.i586.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/distributi ... 4.i586.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/distributi ... 6.i586.rpm

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser ... 1.i686.rpm
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser ... 1.i686.rpm
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser ... 1.i686.rpm
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser ... 1.i686.rpm

The first four are dependencies of Smart so install those before the four Smart packages.

Smart is also included on the SUSE CDs and is in the main SUSE repository, but I'd recommend installing the one from the community repository because it includes all the repositories you'll ever need.

When you have them all installed, go to the menu and look for "Smart Package Manager", in KDE it's under System --> Configuration, it will ask for your root password and then it will say it has detected channels (repositories) and ask if you wanna include them, just say yes to 'em all, then hit the reload button and it will go out and download the repository info and then you're set.

schotty wrote:Thanks again!

No problem man!

for what it's worth here is the pictrue of suse 10.1 for Tsuroerusu.

bought it a while back from amazon but just haven't had the time to get the picture up

I do like suse 10.1 and it is what I am using on my amd 64 main server/workstation. which you can see the bottom in the top of the picture - sorry for the quality but I did just a quicky job. Now my donations are done for the year

I bought suse 10.1 and the ubuntu dapper from amazon
and I gave to both the fsf (free software foundation) and the eff (electronic frontier foundation) so I am good. and my work even paid for redhat training - which was execellent by the way. we use rhel 2.1, 3.0, and 4.0 on my job along with slowaris.

suse 10.1 is really solid. I am using the smart package manager which I am really beginning to like a lot.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jsusanka

jsusanka wrote:for what it's worth here is the pictrue of suse 10.1 for Tsuroerusu.

bought it a while back from amazon but just haven't had the time to get the picture up

I do like suse 10.1 and it is what I am using on my amd 64 main server/workstation. which you can see the bottom in the top of the picture - sorry for the quality but I did just a quicky job. Now my donations are done for the year

I bought suse 10.1 and the ubuntu dapper from amazon
and I gave to both the fsf (free software foundation) and the eff (electronic frontier foundation) so I am good. and my work even paid for redhat training - which was execellent by the way. we use rhel 2.1, 3.0, and 4.0 on my job along with slowaris.

suse 10.1 is really solid. I am using the smart package manager which I am really beginning to like a lot.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jsusanka

Thanks for the pic, as usual even the freakin' CDs look darn slick!

I'm really looking forward to SUSE Linux 10.2, because once they have the enterprise release out the door, I think there will be more time for the community.

Also, some people still argue that KDE is not something that Novell focuses on anymore, but let's look at facts:

1. SUSE 10.1 has a slick KDE desktop, so does SLED 10.

Even after KDE 3.5.3 got into the factory (Which is like Debian unstable) , GNOME 2.14 is still left out in the dust, I'm sure it's because SLED 10 uses GNOME 2.12 and they wanna make it 100% through that development process before introducing a new GNOME for 10.2, but I just find it a little funny, it's something that makes me smile

smart works great! I appreciate the linkage. If it wasnt for (Dann?) the show's detailing of how the heck this is done, I may have needed that hand holding. Odd how I cant remember what color my underwear is or what I ate yesterday, but I can remember a few week old show like no problem .....

Although right around when I installed smart, I setup my KVM and left it connected so I could work on my PVR that still isnt done ;D I could have sworn that it was smart that made my mouse wheel stop working. After a week or so of BS, I realized that the PVR didnt like it either. Then it dawned on me -- its not the software, not the mouse ... gotta be the KVM.

Anyhoo.... I did try that patch to SuSE for the PM issues, and really couldnt say much good about it. Smart is alot smoother and all. This is just the classic issues I have when I give SuSE a whack. They need to keep things beta/alpha a bit longer if they expect to have more adoptation, I think.

But aside from little quirks things do work, and I am probably just being anal ;D

schotty wrote:This is just the classic issues I have when I give SuSE a whack. They need to keep things beta/alpha a bit longer if they expect to have more adoptation, I think.

They already had delayed SUSE 10.1 for over two months, and they had the deadline for SLED 10 closing in on them, so sometimes you just need to release what you got. They will be releasing fixes for it, and you're almost guaranteed that it works much better in 10.2, as we're looking at a mid-December release, so there's plenty of time to fix that, and get the new GNOME 2.15 development branch into the factory tree, so that we'll have GNOME 2.16 when 10.2 skates in, in December.