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Let me begin by saying I love the show. You guys do an awesome job every week! I have gone all the way back to episode 1, and I intend to listen to all of the back shows that I missed.

I would like to suggest that your show would be much better without the gutter talk. It is possible to have banter without going into the gutter. You are competent professionals. Why lower your image this way? Why subject your audience, not to mention your guests, to discussions of church of fudge, lemon parties, bodily functions, etc.?

Does gutter talk raise or lower people's opinion of a man? It is hard to take a man seriously whose conversation is continually foul. Please consider taking a higher road in your approach to manhood. You have so much to offer the community, and indeed your contributions are already impressive. Why not let your speech be that which is becoming to a gentleman and a leader?

Congratulations on all of your success so far, and I hope you will be at the forefront of the Linux/Open source podcasting world for years to come!

Bryan

btyson wrote:Let me begin by saying I love the show. You guys do an awesome job every week! I have gone all the way back to episode 1, and I intend to listen to all of the back shows that I missed.

I would like to suggest that your show would be much better without the gutter talk.

Yes, we got a lot of negative feedback regarding the profanity after the Jono Bacon interview and are trying to be better about it. If you don't like profanity you might want not to listen to episode 156. I think you can hear a marked improvement after that. We're no TWIT but it's nothing worse than a PG-13 movie. We're working on it.

btyson wrote:I would like to suggest that your show would be much better without the gutter talk. It is possible to have banter without going into the gutter.

Sure, and it's possible just to use this little thing people in the US have called free speech granted by the first amendment.
I'm not saying you're telling the guys to just keep quiet about certain stuff, but come on it's their show, let them throw a good joke in there at times, I really loved Dann's hoagie-guy story and that one about when he went running with his dog (Listen to the end of the OGG file of episode 93, it's hilarious!).

btyson wrote:Why subject your audience, not to mention your guests, to discussions of church of fudge, lemon parties, bodily functions, etc.?

I agree that Dann should have kept his love of the Church of Fudge private, but seriously I appreciate a good joke now and then, seriously, everyday radio and TV is so boring and so robot like when people don't give their honest opinions.

Patrick wrote:Yes, we got a lot of negative feedback regarding the profanity after the Jono Bacon interview and are trying to be better about it.

First of all, thank you Pat, Linc, Dann, and Allen for making an effort at doing better in this area. Thank you for your kind response to some of your listeners who are concerned about this area.

Yes, the First Amendment in the US does allow the TLLTS guys to say what they would like. No one here, nor do I believe btyson would try to tell the guys how to do their show.

We have many freedoms in the United States, but just because we are free to do something does not mean that it is in our best interest to do so. I am free to interview for a top level management job. I am free to use every four letter word I can think of during that interview. My prospective employer also has the freedom to look past me if he feels my loose tongue would not be in the best interest of his company or the people who would have to listen to me day in and day out. Sometimes the use of your freedoms may limit what you would like to do. If as an IT employee you will only work for companies who use free and open software and have no Windows machines at all, you have that freedom. I also believe it will severely limit the places where you could apply for a job.

I believe btyson just wanted to give an encouragement to stay out of the gutter so that this great show TLLTS could see a broader audience. To that thought I offer my second. I have to admit that I have encouraged very few people that I know to tune into TLLTS or LugRadio because of the gutter talk at times. Once again TLLTS guys are free to say what they want to say, but using this freedom responsibly can actually open up new avenues and expose some really great interviews and content to a broader audience.

Thanks again TLLTS guys. The activity level in this forum shows that you have gained the respect and admiration of many. You have personally helped me through tough times as I learn Linux. Thanks to the listeners too. The listeners who participate in this forum have time and time again shown their wisdom and willingness to help the Linux community as well.

mowestusa

mowestusa wrote:

Patrick wrote:Yes, we got a lot of negative feedback regarding the profanity after the Jono Bacon interview and are trying to be better about it.

First of all, thank you Pat, Linc, Dann, and Allen for making an effort at doing better in this area. Thank you for your kind response to some of your listeners who are concerned about this area.

Yes, the First Amendment in the US does allow the TLLTS guys to say what they would like. No one here, nor do I believe btyson would try to tell the guys how to do their show.

We have many freedoms in the United States, but just because we are free to do something does not mean that it is in our best interest to do so. I am free to interview for a top level management job. I am free to use every four letter word I can think of during that interview. My prospective employer also has the freedom to look past me if he feels my loose tongue would not be in the best interest of his company or the people who would have to listen to me day in and day out. Sometimes the use of your freedoms may limit what you would like to do. If as an IT employee you will only work for companies who use free and open software and have no Windows machines at all, you have that freedom. I also believe it will severely limit the places where you could apply for a job.

I believe btyson just wanted to give an encouragement to stay out of the gutter so that this great show TLLTS could see a broader audience. To that thought I offer my second. I have to admit that I have encouraged very few people that I know to tune into TLLTS or LugRadio because of the gutter talk at times. Once again TLLTS guys are free to say what they want to say, but using this freedom responsibly can actually open up new avenues and expose some really great interviews and content to a broader audience.

Thanks again TLLTS guys. The activity level in this forum shows that you have gained the respect and admiration of many. You have personally helped me through tough times as I learn Linux. Thanks to the listeners too. The listeners who participate in this forum have time and time again shown their wisdom and willingness to help the Linux community as well.

mowestusa

I agree that stuff like the Lemon Party and the Church of Fudge was something Dann should have kept to himself, although I found it funny to hear Pat bitch about

But stuff like the hoagie-story or the stuff at the end of the OGG file of episode 93, that's just funny man, laughing is good for you, and this stuff definitely provides a good laugh.

("Luckily with the dog I carry a bag with me ... " )

Personally, the Jono Bacon show did step over the line a bit, but I might add that the show is almost always tagged explicit within iTunes. If you are afraid to hear a Fbomb or an occasional lewd joke, then this isn't the show for you. What makes this show good is that Pat, Linc, Dann and Alan are themselves pretty much. I can now say this after spending sometime with them out here in Ohio. That's what makes the show interesting, to me. There's the classic show 93 with the dog walk and dann all of a sudden having to go poop! The Hoagie story and others that while not X rated, some people may find it offensive. That's the beauty of this show. There is no FCC to tell the guys they can't say one of the 7 (or is it 11) BAD WORDS!! GASP! He said the Fword!

With that said...never...and I do mean NEVER follow a link from Dann. Unless the link has tech words in it, don't go there....ever....frickin ever!

"...you spin me round, round baby right round..."

Snarkout wrote:"...you spin me round, round baby right round..."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The crew's language would instantly become better if we found out we had some female listeners (wives/family don't count). Right now its like an all-male physical education class in highschool and belches, f-bombs, farts, references to vulgar sexual acts and stories about guys shaving their balls in public places are all fair game. So c'mon ladies, step up!

TankCatNinjaFish wrote:Right now its like an all-male physical education class in highschool and belches, f-bombs, farts, references to vulgar sexual acts and stories about guys shaving their balls in public places are all fair game. So c'mon ladies, step up!

Yeah, sausage parties will do that. Just listen to the conversation with a bunch of your guy friends while sucking down beers, smoking cigars and blowing off some steam. It can get pretty bad. The conversation is usually forgotten quickly. With the show it saved for future generations to enjoy!

Patrick wrote:

TankCatNinjaFish wrote:Right now its like an all-male physical education class in highschool and belches, f-bombs, farts, references to vulgar sexual acts and stories about guys shaving their balls in public places are all fair game. So c'mon ladies, step up!

Yeah, sausage parties will do that. Just listen to the conversation with a bunch of your guy friends while sucking down beers, smoking cigars and blowing off some steam. It can get pretty bad. The conversation is usually forgotten quickly. With the show it saved for future generations to enjoy!

Oh jesus, this is just the sad truth!

A good example is me and of my friends yesterday, we were discussing why, from his impression, that a remarkable number of geeks has a softspot for asian chicks despite the ones "you usually see" (Aka, porn) "have like an entire forest in a certain place" (My friend's words, not mine).

Boy, I'm glad no female heard that conversation!!

personally I am tired of people pushing their idea of what is OK for them on others. go back to the public radio, TV, and 90% of the other shows out there. I look forward to TLLTS every week over any other show because they say it how it is.

Ridgid

Wow, I didn't even notice the obscenities. Maybe if my friends and I hadn't thrown out about a million F-bombs during high school I would still catch these things, but even then I've never been able to take "dirty words" seriously, and look at them a bit like George Carlin. Seems silly to single out a few words as "bad."

I would compare them to flavoring particles in German, since they barely have any meaning by themselves. Though I do have to admit I would be more likely to play the Tech Show over the FM stereo in the car with family if I knew it would be clean...

I'm actually pretty amazed that I can avoid saying them in public, because I rarely notice them at all. I personally try to avoid it just because I know it will offend someone, and you rarely see any good come out of it.

Ridgid wrote:personally I am tired of people pushing their idea of what is OK for them on others. go back to the public radio, TV, and 90% of the other shows out there. I look forward to TLLTS every week over any other show because they say it how it is.

I don't believe anyone who is advocating and encouraging a cleaner show is telling the TLLTS gang how to do their show, nor is anyone pushing their idea of what is OK for them on others. As has been stated previously in this thread, the TLLTS gang is free to say and do whatever they want with their show. Even the TLLTS gang has admitted that the Jono Bacon show went too far, and other episodes which came before the Jono Bacon interview had been getting progressively worse.

You are right. Those who want a clean program could go back to public radio, TV, and 90% of the other shows out there. In fact there are three fine examples of shows that tell you "how it is" each week in the freesoftware world, but have family friendly, kid friendly, and clean episodes, "Linux Reality", "Lotta Linux Links", and "BSD Talk".

Vogateer wrote:I'm actually pretty amazed that I can avoid saying them in public, because I rarely notice them at all. I personally try to avoid it just because I know it will offend someone, and you rarely see any good come out of it.

Vogateer, made an excellent point. He personally just avoids dirty words even though he is perfectly free to use them because you rarely see any good come out of it.

I'll never forget a LUG meeting I attended. We went out to eat afterwards, and F-bombs and other "dirty" words were being used constantly. Someone, out of curiousity, asked what I do for a living. After telling the group, they were like, "Really, that's cool." The F-bombs and other "dirty" words stopped. I did not ask them to stop. I did not complain about their language. They decided to stop because they did not see any good that could come out of it. They did not want to disrespect me in anyway. Instead, they worked hard to help me feel included and accepted. We had a great evening together. We talked about a wide range of topics. We said it "how it is" but everyone there was able to do so without "dirty" words.

Instead of encouraging some of the TLLTS audience to move back to public radio or TV, perhaps we could look for ways to expand the TLLTS audience so others could hear the great interviews, and learn from the vast experience of the TLLTS gang. I doubt too many would stop listening if the show stopped using profanities and stopped giving out questionable links, but I do know that I could start recommending the show to a wider audience if those things stopped. I'm going to give the TLLTS guys a little more credit. I believe they could still have an entertaining show, tell us "how it is", and produce something I would let kids listen too. The most recent shows have been tons better, and it has still been a great show!

Instead of encouraging others to turn off TLLTS and listen to public radio, I would love to see the TLLTS show attract an audience the size of the public radio audience. But, once again, the TLLTS guys are free to say and do whatever they want. It is really up to them to determine what good can come out of it.

Thanks again Linc, Pat, Dann, and Allen for your dedication, great interviews, and excellent Linux knowledge which you share with the community each week.

Just out curiosity, what was your profession that made them cut out
the profanity??

I have had people who knew my Faith and would respect not blaspheming
the Messiah or YAHWEH. Sometimes they would curse like " G-- Damn"
or say the Messiahs name as a curse around me and then catch it
and say "Sorry man, I shouldn't have said that". I think that it is cool
when people can respect you enough to try not to offend you with
things like that because they know it offends you..