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http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/hardware/s ... 592,00.htm

but why wouldn't Linus support one of the companies that are trying to make a living from his creation and not support DRM.

maybe I am just to wrapped up in fighting drm too much - but it makes me want to try solaris or freebsd on my main box

for example he could of bought from here.

http://www.koobox.com/


to get the same form factor.


I am just confused and a little depressed and downhearted about this.

I would think he would start using his weight in like getting flash written for linux or help getting his os pre-installed on boxes.

Dunno, it seems to me like he's saying it's crap. Where do you get the "he's supporting apple" angle?

jsusanka wrote:http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/hardware/s ... 592,00.htm

but why wouldn't Linus support one of the companies that are trying to make a living from his creation and not support DRM.

maybe I am just to wrapped up in fighting drm too much - but it makes me want to try solaris or freebsd on my main box

for example he could of bought from here.

http://www.koobox.com/


to get the same form factor.


I am just confused and a little depressed and downhearted about this.

I would think he would start using his weight in like getting flash written for linux or help getting his os pre-installed on boxes.

Yeah I have also been quite puzzled about this, but you have to remember, Linus is very pragmatic about things such as DRM, he's not really into "fighting DRM" or any of that stuff.

I'm not trying to make it sound like people who are fine with say the NVIDIA drivers don't care about DRM, because I know Pat hates DRM. But really, it's people like RMS and Theo de Raadt you see complaining about stuff like DRM and proprietary drivers, respectively, it's not Eric Raymond or Linus Torvalds.

As far as I know, Linus has never really cared too about how many people use Linux, that's not his main concern, he's a geek and at heart care about the technology, and besides that don't really like all the "political stuff" that the Free Software Foundation has going for it (Justifiably in my opinion).

jsusanka wrote:maybe I am just to wrapped up in fighting drm too much - but it makes me want to try solaris or freebsd on my main box

Don't be afraid of the daemons, FreeBSD as the geek's desktop operating system is really not bad, it can run KDE, Amarok, Azureus and all that jazz.
I have been using OpenBSD on my Mac mini for over 6 months now (Right now I have sent Puffy on vacation, because I needed Fedora Core 5 for some presentations at school both tomorrow and the week after next week) and even as hardcore as OpenBSD is in terms of security and it's overall reputation of being "very unfriendly for desktop usage" it does really really well!
I know that the hardcore support of the BSDs is not at Linux's level, but remember I said that BSD as the geek's desktop operating is not bad, and geeks know how to buy the right hardware.

Speaking of BSD as a desktop system, I have seen some folks working on getting AIGLX and XGL (And through that, also Compiz) running on FreeBSD, now that would be cool!

Tsuroerusu wrote:

jsusanka wrote:http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/hardware/s ... 592,00.htm

but why wouldn't Linus support one of the companies that are trying to make a living from his creation and not support DRM.

maybe I am just to wrapped up in fighting drm too much - but it makes me want to try solaris or freebsd on my main box

for example he could of bought from here.

http://www.koobox.com/


to get the same form factor.


I am just confused and a little depressed and downhearted about this.

I would think he would start using his weight in like getting flash written for linux or help getting his os pre-installed on boxes.

Yeah I have also been quite puzzled about this, but you have to remember, Linus is very pragmatic about things such as DRM, he's not really into "fighting DRM" or any of that stuff.

I'm not trying to make it sound like people who are fine with say the NVIDIA drivers don't care about DRM, because I know Pat hates DRM. But really, it's people like RMS and Theo de Raadt you see complaining about stuff like DRM and proprietary drivers, respectively, it's not Eric Raymond or Linus Torvalds.

As far as I know, Linus has never really cared too about how many people use Linux, that's not his main concern, he's a geek and at heart care about the technology, and besides that don't really like all the "political stuff" that the Free Software Foundation has going for it (Justifiably in my opinion).

jsusanka wrote:maybe I am just to wrapped up in fighting drm too much - but it makes me want to try solaris or freebsd on my main box

Don't be afraid of the daemons, FreeBSD as the geek's desktop operating system is really not bad, it can run KDE, Amarok, Azureus and all that jazz.
I have been using OpenBSD on my Mac mini for over 6 months now (Right now I have sent Puffy on vacation, because I needed Fedora Core 5 for some presentations at school both tomorrow and the week after next week) and even as hardcore as OpenBSD is in terms of security and it's overall reputation of being "very unfriendly for desktop usage" it does really really well!
I know that the hardcore support of the BSDs is not at Linux's level, but remember I said that BSD as the geek's desktop operating is not bad, and geeks know how to buy the right hardware.

Speaking of BSD as a desktop system, I have seen some folks working on getting AIGLX and XGL (And through that, also Compiz) running on FreeBSD, now that would be cool!

I got the supporting part by him just buying a machine from apple.

To me DRM and the FSF can be separate issues

I can understand why companies want to do proprietary drivers and that leaves me the choice of buying or not buying their products.

But to me DRM is a separate issue. It is a legal invasion of my privacy and telling me what I can do or not do with products I bought - And I try my hardest not to support companies that shove DRM down people's throat - i.e. apple.

To me it is a scary and treacherous road we are laying if we let DRM prevail.

jsusanka wrote:I got the supporting part by him just buying a machine from apple.

Yeah I sorta get the same feeling, plus the fact that he bought the TPMed Mac mini!

jsusanka wrote:To me DRM and the FSF can be separate issues

Of course, but you gotta admit, the FSF aren't lying when they say that DRM stands for Digital Restrictions Management

jsusanka wrote:But to me DRM is a separate issue. It is a legal invasion of my privacy and telling me what I can do or not do with products I bought - And I try my hardest not to support companies that shove DRM down people's throat - i.e. apple.

Exactly man, I completely agree
(Question for you, do you see TiVo's, or similar cases, usage of DRM to make their DVR's unmodifiable the same as iTunes' DRM, aka "legal invasion of my privacy" ?)

jsusanka wrote:To me it is a scary and treacherous road we are laying if we let DRM prevail.

That's why Richard Stallman calls it Treacherous Computing, which is a much better description of what "Trusted Computing" is.

He is not back stabbing us or anything. His job is too keep Linux evolving and I would think that if Linux supports a platform it would be good for one of the head programmers has a machine to test it on. It's not like he is keeping OSX on it. And even still it's good to know your enemy. I can't remember who but I think one of the guests said that Microsoft had lots of machines running various Linux distros so they can know what they are fighting against (and probably steal ideas as well). Linus is not being evil.

This is the kind of attitude that pisses me off the most about linux users. How is it any of your business what hardware Linus uses? He paid for it with money he earned. He has absolutely no obligation to stroke your ego by aligning himself to your politics. Furthermore, he has made it clear in the past he doesn't want to be some sort of philisophical free software leader; he has a family and a job after all.

How would you like it if some extreme leftist crticized you for buying hardware that supports Israel? (And yes, if you have ever paid for computer hardware you are supporting Israel). How about if some far-right Neo-Nazi told you that you were commiting treason by using/supporting linux because the north koreans or iranians can use Linux to build cheap super computers to research weapons? How about if *I* told you that you have no moral authority to criticize anything regarding free software because you use nVidia's proprietary drivers and support a company that has in the past attacked programmers for attempting to reverse engineer hardware they had paid for?

Damn! That koobox has a *celeron M* in it. What the fuck? That alone is reason enough to not buy it.

TankCatNinjaFish wrote:This is the kind of attitude that pisses me off the most about linux users. How is it any of your business what hardware Linus uses? He paid for it with money he earned. He has absolutely no obligation to stroke your ego by aligning himself to your politics. Furthermore, he has made it clear in the past he doesn't want to be some sort of philisophical free software leader; he has a family and a job after all.

How would you like it if some extreme leftist crticized you for buying hardware that supports Israel? (And yes, if you have ever paid for computer hardware you are supporting Israel). How about if some far-right Neo-Nazi told you that you were commiting treason by using/supporting linux because the north koreans or iranians can use Linux to build cheap super computers to research weapons? How about if *I* told you that you have no moral authority to criticize anything regarding free software because you use nVidia's proprietary drivers and support a company that has in the past attacked programmers for attempting to reverse engineer hardware they had paid for?

Testify! Testify my brother!
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