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Checking out old Linux distros for historical purposes
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:41 am
by Wally Balljacker
I've always wanted to try using a Linux distro from before my time in the community, and I figured a live CD would be a perfect way to do so. What were some of the earliest live CDs, and does anyone know of a place that still hosts old ISOs? I guess this sounds like a weird request, but I'm curious what old versions of GNOME and KDE were like, and just how far Linux on the desktop has progressed over the years.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:02 pm
by Judland
According to
Wikipedia, Yggdrasil Linux was the first Linux Live CD (1995). The original files can be found
here.
The only other Linux Live CD that I can remember appearing in the community was Knoppix (2003) and later, Morphix.
I don't know if you can find earlier versions of these OSs on the Net, but I might have copies of them somewhere in my many spools of old CDs I've burned over the years. I could make copies for you if you can't find them anywhere else (that is if I can find the CDs myself).
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:06 pm
by allix
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:18 pm
by Wally Balljacker
Thanks for the replies.
Do you think a distro from 1995 would even boot on a modern computer?
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:10 pm
by chuck
Wally Balljacker wrote:Thanks for the replies.
Do you think a distro from 1995 would even boot on a modern computer?
I'm pretty sure that in archives around the net you can find just about any version of any distro. It's just gonna take some googling. Walnut Creek made/distributed install CDs of distros back in the day but they disappeared ~7 years ago.
Live CDs that 'just work' are a fairly new thing that Knoppix really made the breakthrough with.
Would a 1995 distro boot a modern PC, I'd say no.
Would it boot in a VM, very likely

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:35 pm
by allix
Wally Balljacker wrote:Thanks for the replies.
Do you think a distro from 1995 would even boot on a modern computer?
It depends on what motherboard interface your machine ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_T ... Attachment , has a chart of the history of ATA, ATA-1 came out 1994, followed by ATA-2 in 1996 , which was released after that distro came out
I personally would use a VM because you are running vulnerable software.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:34 am
by Gomer_X
Wally Balljacker wrote:Thanks for the replies.
Do you think a distro from 1995 would even boot on a modern computer?
I've still got Red Hat 5.2 and 6.0 laying around in pretty good condition (if you're sincerely interested I could send them to you).
The problem with distros from that era is they all booted from floppy (even CD based distros). Often the boot floppies are bad. If you can get one that boots from CD, you might be OK.
You could also go with an older version of Debian, but if you really want to see GNOME 1.x, you 'll need to go back a bit farther. I guess it's worth seeing, but I lived through it and wouldn't go back.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:08 am
by lizerazu
Wally,
A (demented) hobby of mine (or at least it's becoming a hobby) is to look on craigslist and buy used computers for really cheap and a)try to build linux on them or b) reinstall my old mandrake 4 cds.
I've never done anything as far back as I think you're looking to go but I think the route that I would take is either a VM (as previously stated) or actually getting old hardware (which I just enjoy).
Regards
*edit, admittedly for my LFS builds I do it on my X2 4200 because I hate waiting for compiles.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:44 am
by mikeh
Many old CD's from Red Hat and others do contain images of the various boot floppies on the CD also.
So if you lose the boot floppy or it goes bad you can recreate it from the image on the CD.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:46 am
by Patrick
One of my favorite Allan stories is when he describes how a RH4 or 5 box he had running got comprised over a dial-up modem. I remember him saying the hard drive was spinning like crazy and making loud clicking noises. Might not be a good idea to expose those old installs to the internet. Just a suggestion.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:30 pm
by Linc
Patrick wrote:One of my favorite Allan stories is when he describes how a RH4 or 5 box he had running got comprised over a dial-up modem. I remember him saying the hard drive was spinning like crazy and making loud clicking noises. Might not be a good idea to expose those old installs to the internet. Just a suggestion.
That was me. Redhat 6.0 running over the weekend downloading an ISO of a different distribution. I figured I was safe because I was only on a dislup at around 4400 baud. Well, I had telnet enabled and then next thing you know I was noticing how the output of "ps -ef" was funny looking... The rest is history.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:13 pm
by Vogateer
I was wondering how it might have come to pass that Allan was using Red Hat instead of Slack.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:30 pm
by Wally Balljacker
Vogateer wrote:I was wondering how it might have come to pass that Allan was using Red Hat instead of Slack.

According to
this, Dann and Linc "beat it into me that I couldn't use RedHat anymore" once he joined the LUG.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:05 pm
by Vogateer
Good call! I vaguely recollect other people here coming to Linux through Red Hat—I'm one of them—and didn't catch that Allan started off with anything other than Slack.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:49 pm
by snarkout
Some things about red hat piss me off, but in general I think they get way too much flak from folks on the show. I admin many RH boxes, and for the most part they all spin like a top. I've even been toying with the idea of getting an academic license and getting a redhat cert - it certainly wouldn't hurt me at all to know more.