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FreeBSD developer terrorizes his tenants

Post by greggh » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:27 pm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/24 ... cy_arrest/
Prominent FreeBSD developer Kip Macy has been charged with waging a campaign of terror against people renting apartments in a six-unit building he owns. He stands accused of cutting out floor supports to retaliate against a tenant who went to court to keep from being evicted.

According to San Francisco prosecutors, Macy also shut off the tenant's electricity, disconnected his phone and had workers saw a hole in his living room floor. Other tenants claim the programmer-turned-landlord and his wife broke into their apartment and stole $2,000 worth of belongings. The couple was arrested Tuesday and charged with multiple felonies, including burglary, stalking, grand theft and shutting off service.
It's unclear what would posses a person to damage his own building by removing joists or cutting a hole in the floor. Paul Wartelle - whose firm, Wartelle, Weaver & Schreiber, represents one of Macy's tenants - told us it was part of a plan designed to make life unpleasant for tenants who were protected by San Francisco's rent control laws.

"The purpose is essentially to get them out, to get the rent increased," Wartelle said. "It's essentially a profit motive."
Not exactly the free software spirit here. :shock:

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:57 am

I feel about the theregister.co.uk as I feel about the US government, I don't believe anything it tells me, NOTHING! :lol:
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Post by allix » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:40 am

weather that article is true or not , developing free software has fuck all to do with peoples personalities, look at Eric S. Raymond , a gun toting conservative with some backwards views on many things.
Hans Reiser , a suspected murderer
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Post by Brian » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:20 am

So now we know that there are FreeBSD daemons and FreeBSD demons.

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Re: FreeBSD developer terrorizes his tenants

Post by greggh » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:35 pm

Well this topic is a blast from the past. But about the comment on ESR. In fairness, he's not a free software person. He's an open source guy. So that may explain the semi-automatic weapons. :wink:

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Re: FreeBSD developer terrorizes his tenants

Post by jturning » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:38 pm

I saw the story long ago in a local paper, so it's mostly valid.

What's wrong with guns? I've used a gun to defend myself in my own home when some criminals kicked open my door. Luckily for the fools that kicked in my door they ran when they heard me rack a round. A gun is a wonderful tool that can be used to defend yourself in the wilds or urban jungle. It's the great equalizer in competent hands. I was in a good location and cops showed in 8-9 minutes, but that's a long time to wait at the mercy of criminals who are probably armed. With law enforcement budgets shrinking and some of these weak young cops I see, you're trusting a lot to people that might not come through for you. Everyone would be wise to purchase a gun, learn how to use it well, store it safely, so they can defend themselves and their families. Here in the states the moral bankruptcy of our country is increasing. Look what happened after Katrina until the military moved in. Look at the murder rates in major urban areas. Guns are just tools, criminals are the problem and they'll always have access to guns, only the price will change based on what it costs to smuggle them in. Anti-gun movements and legislation only hurt law abiding citizens and the right to defend themselves.

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Re: FreeBSD developer terrorizes his tenants

Post by LinuxMint-4 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:14 pm

jturning wrote:I saw the story long ago in a local paper, so it's mostly valid.

What's wrong with guns? I've used a gun to defend myself in my own home when some criminals kicked open my door. Luckily for the fools that kicked in my door they ran when they heard me rack a round. A gun is a wonderful tool that can be used to defend yourself in the wilds or urban jungle. It's the great equalizer in competent hands. I was in a good location and cops showed in 8-9 minutes, but that's a long time to wait at the mercy of criminals who are probably armed. With law enforcement budgets shrinking and some of these weak young cops I see, you're trusting a lot to people that might not come through for you. Everyone would be wise to purchase a gun, learn how to use it well, store it safely, so they can defend themselves and their families. Here in the states the moral bankruptcy of our country is increasing. Look what happened after Katrina until the military moved in. Look at the murder rates in major urban areas. Guns are just tools, criminals are the problem and they'll always have access to guns, only the price will change based on what it costs to smuggle them in. Anti-gun movements and legislation only hurt law abiding citizens and the right to defend themselves.

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On a side note, since the election. Gun and ammo sales are going through the roof. Listening to the mainstream and alternative media, there is much discussion of pending draconian legislation and even gun confiscation .

Go torrent the last couple of shows from Alex Jones and find out whats going on (he allows his material to be freely downloaded). And Alex Jones isn't the only one talking about it. Also December 3 Coast to Coast Steve Quayle was a guest on that show talking about the same subject.

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Post by allix » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:02 pm

alex jones is a conspiracy theorist, you cannot believe most of what he is going on about .
I give him credit for the Bohemian Grove investigation.

Getting back to guns, I think its irresponsible to allow guns to be freely available to citizens. People go apeshit with these and kill people . I am not blind to believe murder will just go to zero after banning guns but it would go down, just look at crime rates in Europe. The murders in Finland have actually sparked a lot of talk about reforming their laws as there very liberal on them too.
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Re: FreeBSD developer terrorizes his tenants

Post by jturning » Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:45 pm

allix wrote:Getting back to guns, I think its irresponsible to allow guns to be freely available to citizens. People go apeshit with these and kill people . I am not blind to believe murder will just go to zero after banning guns but it would go down, just look at crime rates in Europe. The murders in Finland have actually sparked a lot of talk about reforming their laws as there very liberal on them too.
I totally disagree. Most of the gun crimes here in the states are criminals, usually gang members, that purchase their guns illegally on the street smuggled in from outside the state. How is making guns illegal going to stop that gun violence? Banning guns is only going to make law abiding citizens vulnerable. There are evil men running our streets that have no regard for law or life, and for many guns are the only way a normal person would be able to protect themselves. I'm 6'2" and 220, but I'd have my hands full with many of these criminals and helpless if one pulls out a gun. We have strict laws here and background checks with a waiting period that limits your ability to purchase a gun if you have prior convictions or documented mental issues. If you can be a responsible citizen, work, pay taxes, be licensed to drive a car, you should be able to own a gun. Some hunt, and I depend on mine when backpacking or camping out in the wilds of California. A lot of people here in the U.S. use guns to defend themselves every day just like I have. A person determined to commit murder can find many ways besides a gun. People get run down in cars, should we outlaw cars? A gun is just a tool, and I find people against owning guns usually are ignorant and afraid of guns.

And here in the U.S. it's about economics. Our affluent society is a rich bed of many criminal enterprises created by weak citizens addicted to their wares. So criminals make money whether drugs, sex, burglary.... and these criminals have competition, fear being ripped off themselves, and have income to purchase smuggled weapons no matter the price. Some even prey on other criminals. We already have many laws that give large prison sentences for crimes involving a gun, yet it continues. All the gun laws in the world will not stop it. Let citizens have the right to defend themselves. Here in the U.S. this is a right that was built into our constitution by our wise founding fathers and one of the reasons this is the greatest nation on earth.

One last, I even used my gun once to scare off a large Roosevelt Elk that kept approaching me on the trail over on the Lost Coast. When he got to within about 15 ft I shot to the right of him and forced him to run up the hill. I'll attach the pic for fun. That is a 600 lb plus animal, and I was having visions of me bleeding out on the trail after being gored by his rack if he got spooked.

My 2 cents, back to topic.

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Post by greggh » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:10 pm

http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsa ... istics.htm
Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)

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Post by jturning » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:12 am

I guess it's not back to the topic, :).

You can misuse numbers if you take them out of context. How and why are children killed? What are the populations of the nations quoted? How do those numbers factor as a percentage of population? Are there cultural differences? Criminal economic factors? I would say that a large part of the children killed are due to gang activity, which is primarily a U.S. cultural problem. I follow several papers on the West coast, Sacramento Bee, San Jose Mercury News, Contra Costa Times, San Francisco Chronicle. Most of the gun killings are gang related, from your blood and crip affiliated gangs to Hell's Angels and Mongrols motorcycle gangs. Now you're starting to see sub groups within the crips and bloods doing their own gang thing selling drugs and running prostitution. A lot of the killing is protecting their business and eliminating witnesses that have talked although sometimes just ego, getting payback for being slighted. Some of the worst is in Oakland and Richmond, California. That's just NorCal, for a real look check out L.A.. Recently down in Compton for my wife's family reunion we were rolling down the street next to a low rider with a custom metallic blue paint job with their car club plaque in the back representing their particular gang which was a sub group of the crips. A couple of real thugs right there openly on the street.

Gang turf map for L.A.:
http://www.streetgangs.com/maps/southla_turf.html

To see how the U.S. is unique, just look at Mexico right now with the drug cartels waring with each other and even attacking the police and government. There are criminal economics involved there because Mexico is used to run drugs into the U.S. even utilizing underground tunnels. The numbers of dead in towns that border the U.S. lately is staggering. There have even been high ranking law enforcement officers that have been assassinated. One group threw grenades into a crowd during a celebration.

All that to say, in and of themselves guns are just tools. If you're properly trained to handle, use and secure them, they are not a danger to anyone but would be criminals. Even with more common tools people are killed because they just aren't safe with them. Look at the push to change the safety mechanism on nail guns after so many accidental deaths. I've used nail guns myself, and I treated them as something just as dangerous as a real gun. Whatever the tool, you the owner and operator are responsible for its safe operation and to secure it around children.

With training and skill I could be just about as deadly with a Samurai sword as with a gun. In these other countries, how many are killed with blunt objects or knives? Because of strict gun laws, different cultural problems, criminal economics, you probably just see the deaths shift to alternative methods. Where there is a will, there is a way. Guns in and of themselves are not the problem.

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Post by allix » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:53 am

After having a further look at gun laws around the world, economic division seems to be the biggest factor to gun related crime. South Africa has the highest level of gun crime in the world.

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America has the most gun possession per population but as shown above not the highest gun crime.
Switzerland has more guns per person than Iraq, that is pretty funny and obviously less gun related crime in Switzerland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_c ... _ownership

( wikipedia has the stats cleanly listed, it was not because i was lazy)

So essentially what countries should be fighting is wealth and religious division , the statistics show it clearly that the poorer the country , the more gun crime.

Even though I am against guns, I see your point that its just a tool, after all anything can be used to kill. Knife crime is pretty high in England, does that mean people should not have carving knifes to cut a roast?

I would imagine the argument folks have for owning guns is that of the classic game theory , that is if everyone has a gun, then nobody has a disadvantage of not having won, very much like the nuclear arms possession. Many countries that don't want Iran to have it, meanwhile have it themselves, the argument given by those countries is that they are responsible with it and don;t want to attack another country. Nobody actually knows, its just a presumption .
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Post by LinuxMint-4 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:23 am

U.S. law states that
You must be at least 21 to purchase a handgun (and handgun ammo).
You must be at least 18 to purchase a rifle and rifle ammo.
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Post by MattKingUSA » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:43 pm

You know, it's very strange that so many of these liberal gun law backers who kept saying that Iraq was another vietnam because we had a huge fight on our hands from the locals sure miss the importants of people having weapons. I would rather us have guns and be able to fight than to just be helpless to an invading force. No matter who is on the right or wrong side. I'm just saying at this point there are a lot of American streets that could put up a nice fight against an opposing force. I say we keep our guns and learn from Iraq and Vietnam. But at the same time let's not forget that the USA are the good guys in both of those instances. But there is a good lesson to be learned about armed citizens in both as well.

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Post by eddie » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:56 pm

LinuxMint-4 wrote:U.S. law states that
You must be at least 21 to purchase a handgun (and handgun ammo).
You must be at least 18 to purchase a rifle and rifle ammo.
And yet there is no age requirements for kids with evil chemistry sets.

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