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Vista fanboys

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:09 pm
by bwirtz
I read a blog on cnet about Vista that was so twisted from reality, I thought I'd share. I'm not sure which statement is more incredible...that the initial windows XP consumer response was somehow due to the 9/11 attacks, or that Microsoft has a great track record of listening to their customers and delivering stellar products.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-99705 ... 7-1_3-0-20

I guess you all were right that some people are now saying that Vista is the best thing since sliced bread. The power of Ballmer compels them.

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:18 pm
by LinuxMint-4
bwirtz wrote: I guess you all were right that some people are now saying that Vista is the best thing since sliced bread. The power of Ballmer compels them.
Sliced moldy bread...Ballmer style.

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:30 pm
by eddie
Except I think that penicillin came from moldy bread, I would agree with you.

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:46 am
by jturning
I didn't think that was too bad a review except for the beginning.

I bought a cheap HP laptop with Vista on it for $550 on a Best Buy sale. Recently I've seen the same laptop refurbished going for $575. I would have liked to have bought Linux pre-installed, but I'm frugal and didn't want to spend another couple hundred dollars for basically the same machine (my thinking has changed on this now). I'm running 64 bit Fedora 8 on it with ndiswrapper and the windows driver for the Broadcom chip which is working well.

With that said, I've played in Vista a bit and it works. Sure it's bloated, slow, takes forever to boot, but a lot of the problems with Vista plague GNU/Linux with hardware, software, and driver support by third parties. GNU/Linux stacks up better, but that's because of the hard work of a lot of people to cover some of those gaps. If you want to hate Vista, then hate it for the DRM garbage where you have to ask it permission to do certain things with your own hardware. And hate if for all the CPU cycles you waste on anti-virus and anti-spyware running to protect you from poor security which still might not be enough to keep you from getting rootkitted. Hate it for the horrible pop-up boxes asking if you really meant to do that, in their horrible attempt to add some root security functionality similar to Unix. Hate it because you have this wonderful modern PC that has been hobbled to an older, slower PC in functionality by the OS and security software.

But the kinks in Vista will get worked out, and computer processing power will catch up to it. And businesses and the world will probably keep on rolling with the Microsoft train. XP will just live a little longer to smooth out the transition. Microsoft doesn't let the market decide on merits alone, but they exercise whatever means are necessary to maintain their market position, whether lobbying, political donations, political pressure, unfair business practices, FUD campaigns....... Even though something better has arrived, the world may never get a chance to switch and realize the dream. Consequently, look at how many people are happy giving away their money and freedom today.

Bugz

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:55 am
by Patrick
Well now that they've cut the cord on WinXP (except with UMPCs) Vista will have to deliver. Lately M$ just wants to cut it's own throat. All the better for everyone else!

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:19 am
by Tsuroerusu
jturning wrote:But the kinks in Vista will get worked out, and computer processing power will catch up to it.
Well, WHY should computer processing even have to "catch up to it" ? Only bloated and buggy software wastes resources like Vista does! If a "new" OS is supposed to be better, you can't make it bloated, buggy and crappy and then turn around and tell me that it's "new and better", because it's the direct opposite, it's a big-ass regression!

My main computer is 5 years old (Did a big upgrade 4 years ago), and using components that are VERY 2002ish, and yet the latest versions of Fedora, CentOS, Mandriva, openSUSE and many other distributions, still work extremely well. I've used every KDE 3.5.x release, and it's gotten noticeable FASTER since the 3.5.0 release, which came out in 2005, see this is truly being "new and better", not this retarded thing pretty much every darn proprietary software company is doing.

jturning wrote:And businesses and the world will probably keep on rolling with the Microsoft train. XP will just live a little longer to smooth out the transition. Microsoft doesn't let the market decide on merits alone, but they exercise whatever means are necessary to maintain their market position, whether lobbying, political donations, political pressure, unfair business practices, FUD campaigns....... Even though something better has arrived, the world may never get a chance to switch and realize the dream. Consequently, look at how many people are happy giving away their money and freedom today.
I agree, people are sheep. It's that simple. People don't want to have to use the device installed between their ears, called a brain. Thank goodness that people still have to actually take a driving test, and get a license, to be allowed to drive!

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:43 am
by dann
Tsuroerusu wrote:I agree, people are sheep. It's that simple. People don't want to have to use the device installed between their ears, called a brain. Thank goodness that people still have to actually take a driving test, and get a license, to be allowed to drive!
And soon those testing computers will be running Vista baby, the creme de la creme.

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:53 am
by Patrick
WinXP has been removed from Dell. You can't get it anymore. :twisted:

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:44 am
by eddie
What we need is a distro that is wine and samba only oriented with the look and feel of xp and or vista style interface. Call it Anti-Vista or linux XP. I think there used to be a distro called killbill from slax that did the same thing. We need a super duper version of it. Something a lot more open than Xandros. I bet computer makers and users might take to it like a duck to water if marketed correctly. Once microsoft is out of the way, the distro can start showing it's linux roots.






Reactos has a way to go yet.

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:12 am
by snarkout
Isn't that what reactos is all about?

Re: Vista fanboys

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:42 pm
by eddie
Reactos is not linux, nor do they intend to be. I want reactos to succeed, but the distro I suggested can be organized quickly and effectively for general use. I would love to take something like that into a public place such as a library or internet cafe and blow people's minds.