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Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:37 am
by jabastien
Guys,
Google is schedule to release a (BETA) web browser lighter, smaller, faster then Opera
and Firefox today Sept 2 according to the Official Google Blog [
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/ ... owser.html]
Windows binaries is today, Linux
, OS-X to follow.
They will be able to track our every move online for sure!!!!!
I wonder if all traffic will be "proxy" by their server.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:22 pm
by Patrick
SVN thinks it's totally about optimizing the online apps:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_real ... ing_chrome
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:31 am
by jabastien
I installed it yesterday on my work machine. The UI is clean and fast. I'm an avid Opera user and page rendering not as fast as Opera but loading pages with heavy javascript/ajax beats the pants of Opera (pages like mail.yahoo.com and mail.google.com). It has a built-in feature "about:memory" that gives memory stat, below is screen capture comparison of Opera, FireFox, IE with "
http://www.thelinuxlink.net/forum/posti ... f=2&t=3324" loaded.
> FireFox << 4 extension loaded
> Opera << about 5,000 bookmarks
> Yahoo Pipes [pipes.yahoo.com] is very unstable in Chrome but Fast in Opera and Faster in FireFox.
> Google Mail, Maps, Calendar, Youtube runs like application in Chrome
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:46 am
by greggh
The EULA for Chrome is interesting. I was a little surprised to see that it's not free software.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030522-2.html
1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.
This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.
"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."
So Google has made sure to add a license term that takes away your freedom to run the program as you wish. I guess they can do this since Webkit uses the LGPLv2 and not the GPL. It just bugs the hell out of me that a company that is pretty much completely built on the inside with GPL free software and talks big about "don't be evil" bullshit, has no
real commitment to free software.
By the way, it's fun to spend a little time browsing through the 106 bullshit software patents the "Don't be evil" corporation filed for.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... D2=&d=PTXT
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:47 am
by Tsuroerusu
greggh wrote:The EULA for Chrome is interesting. I was a little surprised to see that it's not free software.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030522-2.html
1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.
This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.
"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."
So Google has made sure to add a license term that takes away your freedom to run the program as you wish. I guess they can do this since Webkit uses the LGPLv2 and not the GPL. It just bugs the hell out of me that a company that is pretty much completely built on the inside with GPL free software and talks big about "don't be evil" bullshit, has no
real commitment to free software.
By the way, it's fun to spend a little time browsing through the 106 bullshit software patents the "Don't be evil" corporation filed for.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... D2=&d=PTXT
Yeah, WebKit (Which is derived from KHTML) is licensed under the LGPL, that's why Apple can use it as well (Safari is in the same boat as Google's browser if you ask me).
I don't really care what Google does internally, freedom zero of free software is to use it for anything you want, and that includes "being evil"
By the way, that whole "don't be evil" thing, is about as credible as the claim that the government of the Soviet Union represented
the people. Not only is it pure bullshit, but it's simple wrong, as in not correct.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:59 am
by greggh
Tsuroerusu wrote:By the way, that whole "don't be evil" thing, is about as credible as the claim that the government of the Soviet Union represented the people. Not only is it pure bullshit, but it's simple wrong, as in not correct.
I'm not sure if you mean that Google never had this as an informal company slogan or that Google never intended to behave this way. In either case, here's what Wikipedia says...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
According to John Battelle's book on Google, The Search, the phrase "Don't be evil" was not coined by Sergey Brin or Larry Page, but rather by Paul Buchheit, the engineer behind Gmail:
On July 19, 2001, about a dozen early employees met to mull over the founders' directive [to elucidate Google's core values] ... The meeting soon became cluttered with the kind of easy and safe corporate clichés that everyone can support, but that carry little impact: Treat Everyone with Respect, for example, or Be on Time for Meetings.
The engineers in the room were rolling their eyes. [Amit] Patel recalls: "Some of us were very anticorporate, and we didn't like the idea of all these specific rules. And engineers in general like efficiency — there had to be a way to say all these things in one statement, as opposed to being so specific."
That's when Paul Buchheit, another engineer in the group, blurted out what would become the most important three words in Google's corporate history. "Paul said, 'All of these things can be covered by just saying, Don't Be Evil,'" Patel recalls. "And it just kind of stuck."
... In the months after the meeting, Patel scribbled "Don't Be Evil" in the corner of every whiteboard in the company... The message spread, and it was embraced, especially by Page and Brin... "I think it's much better than Be Good or something," Page jokes. "When you are making decisions, it causes you to think. I think that's good."
So I think it's true that this was indeed a slogan and motto embraced by Google, and not an urban legend.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22 pm
by Tsuroerusu
greggh wrote:Tsuroerusu wrote:By the way, that whole "don't be evil" thing, is about as credible as the claim that the government of the Soviet Union represented the people. Not only is it pure bullshit, but it's simple wrong, as in not correct.
I'm not sure if you mean that Google never had this as an informal company slogan or that Google never intended to behave this way.
I was referring to the fact that Google internally had this idea of "don't be evil", yet they're running all over the place being evil. My reference to the Soviet Union, was because Lenin's intention with the October revolution was to get rid of the tzar and to give the power to the people and so on. But in my opinion, he never did that, and because he rejected democracy, the opposite of his actual intentions happened, in that it did not give the power to the people, in fact what it did was to oppress the people. In short, both are a farce!
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:20 pm
by adam
greggh wrote:The EULA for Chrome is interesting. I was a little surprised to see that it's not free software.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030522-2.html
1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.
This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.
"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."
So Google has made sure to add a license term that takes away your freedom to run the program as you wish. I guess they can do this since Webkit uses the LGPLv2 and not the GPL. It just bugs the hell out of me that a company that is pretty much completely built on the inside with GPL free software and talks big about "don't be evil" bullshit, has no
real commitment to free software.
By the way, it's fun to spend a little time browsing through the 106 bullshit software patents the "Don't be evil" corporation filed for.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... D2=&d=PTXT
You are agreeing to a EULA for their binaries. Don't like it? The source is free. Change it and compile it yourself.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:21 am
by Tsuroerusu
adam wrote:greggh wrote:The EULA for Chrome is interesting. I was a little surprised to see that it's not free software.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030522-2.html
1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.
This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.
"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."
So Google has made sure to add a license term that takes away your freedom to run the program as you wish. I guess they can do this since Webkit uses the LGPLv2 and not the GPL. It just bugs the hell out of me that a company that is pretty much completely built on the inside with GPL free software and talks big about "don't be evil" bullshit, has no
real commitment to free software.
By the way, it's fun to spend a little time browsing through the 106 bullshit software patents the "Don't be evil" corporation filed for.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... D2=&d=PTXT
You are agreeing to a EULA for their binaries. Don't like it? The source is free. Change it and compile it yourself.
Only the source code for the engine, WebKit, is free. The browser itself is not. This is a relatively common mistake I see people make about the GPL, it also applies to the binaries, you can't escape the license, just by compiling a program.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:17 pm
by adam
As far as I can see, the entire browser is free software of varying licenses. All Google contributed code is BSD.
http://blog.chromium.org/2008/09/welcom ... um_02.html
http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html
I didn't say anything about bypassing the GPL.
In downloading and inspecting the source, i see no EULA agreement like you get when downloading the binary.
Edit: PS, I've been using it at work and it's F'n fast. It kinda feels like a dillo that doesn't suck.
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:17 am
by allix
adam wrote:
Edit: PS, I've been using it at work and it's F'n fast. It kinda feels like a dillo that doesn't suck.
Hows it comparer to konquror or opera ?
Re: Google Chrome Browser
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:52 am
by adam
allix wrote:adam wrote:
Edit: PS, I've been using it at work and it's F'n fast. It kinda feels like a dillo that doesn't suck.
Hows it comparer to konquror or opera ?
its as fast as konqueror, and since it uses webkit they render pretty much everything perfectly. i haven't really used opera a whole lot, but it certainly "feels" faster. opera's interface always seemed clunky to me. this is clean and stripped down.