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Interesitng article

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:11 pm
by dann
Maybe this has been circulated on the many news sites but since I've had my head in code at work lately I may have missed it. Yet, I found it a good read:

http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

Hooha! Shut your mouth and send your hate email to linc at thelinuxlink.net

Re: Interesitng article

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:45 pm
by Linc
dann wrote:Maybe this has been circulated on the many news sites but since I've had my head in code at work lately I may have missed it. Yet, I found it a good read:

http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

Hooha! Shut your mouth and send your hate email to linc at thelinuxlink.net
What makes this article interesting is it seems to be written by someone technically savvy who has not done any research on the subject at hand. Refuting this article point by point would be a waste here, just look at the comments. The readers take care of most things. One they didn't get, though, was how to manage many servers/desktops at once without resorting to all those scary custom shell scripts. That one I can tackle easy. For the business Linux users, you'll have RHN from your RedHat installs (yes most business Linux installs are RedHat). This will allow you to manage not only software but send commands to remote machines as well. I understand that Ubuntu is coming out with a similar product. You can also deploy a windows admins favorite, Altiris, which works with Linux and will let you accomplish the same objective. And for those truly Linux folks who are not scared of the command line, just use cssh. It's wonderful if you ask me.

It's unfortunate that we all continue to see these articles. They just don't hold water anymore and haven't for some time. Linux has been much better on the server side of things, and at least comperable on the desktop for years. In fact, once again, I am in the position of switching a long time dozer to Linux desktop use in the next few days. He approached me earlier this week because he is completely frustrated with windows (reboots XP several times a day) and feels that he is losing much productivity. He said to me that he wants to "make his computer work for him instead of him working to keep his computer going" for a change.

Re: Interesitng article

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:38 pm
by eddie
I agree with you that the author has not done his homework. I plan to read the whole article again and send a rebuttle to the author. I really loved it when you (linc) suggested cluster ssh. It has saved me a lot of time. I have also had admins praise the webmin/usermin combo to manage servers, One of the reasons they like it is because they can manage servers with varying linux os's without having to be familiar with all the details. Usermin is neat, because you can set a script for a user and all they have to do is point and click to use it. No cli required. Because they are web based, you can access any server on the planet and manage it.

It is ironic that there are so many web based programs available and no one takes real advantage of them. The interoperability issues are already solved. The web makes specific platforms no longer required and the command line a thing of the past for a user. We have about thirty different packages on our server mostly acquired from sourceforge.net that are everything our business needs. http://www.howtoforge. has been a great help in setting everything up. I would like to see web version equivalent of open office. That would be the cat's meow. I have see some commercial ones, but not any open source high level ones yet. Microsoft is already working on this. Hint hint to the openoffice people and any enterprising developers. There is one distro that sort of does this with a terminal server to a web browser. I can not think of the name at the moment. Who says the app has to run on the local machine for business? Whey I used to work most everything was done via the browser. Worst case scenario, you could go to the citrix server to run an app such as office. Even a linux box could do it. Ironically the linux browser worked better than a window box accessing the citrix server. Most people will eventually let go of the exising desktops for thin clients.

Most homes now have routers to access the intenet. It is almost a required applicance. I predict that a web server will be the next home appliance or if not should be. You will probably have a service contract for the support of it though unl;ess you have access to a guru. Why not, as high end fridges. stoves and etc have web servers alreadly built in.....