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http://www.microsoft.com/technet/window ... pguid.mspx
"Enterprise Planning Guidelines
To assist enterprise customers planning to deploy PC systems before Windows Vista launches, Microsoft is working with computer manufacturers and some independent hardware vendors to provide detailed hardware guidelines designed to ensure that the following Windows XP systems shipping in 2005 will offer good performance and graphic experience on Windows Vista:
• "Designed for Windows XP" 32-bit PC systems with Windows XP OS, or
• "Designed for Windows XP x64 Edition" 64-bit PC systems with Windows XP x64 Edition OS
with
• A modern processor
• 512MB of system memory or more, and
• A graphics processor that will support Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM)

PC systems with GPUs that do not support WDDM will only be able to provide a Windows XP-comparable desktop graphics experience, with regards to features, stability and performance."
I see a lot of schools dumping Windows, because 512 MB RAM at a minimum!! That's insane, on that kind of box you can run Linux + KDE with all the bells and whistles turned up.

Tsuroerusu wrote:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/window ... pguid.mspx
"Enterprise Planning Guidelines
To assist enterprise customers planning to deploy PC systems before Windows Vista launches, Microsoft is working with computer manufacturers and some independent hardware vendors to provide detailed hardware guidelines designed to ensure that the following Windows XP systems shipping in 2005 will offer good performance and graphic experience on Windows Vista:
• "Designed for Windows XP" 32-bit PC systems with Windows XP OS, or
• "Designed for Windows XP x64 Edition" 64-bit PC systems with Windows XP x64 Edition OS
with
• A modern processor
• 512MB of system memory or more, and
• A graphics processor that will support Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM)

PC systems with GPUs that do not support WDDM will only be able to provide a Windows XP-comparable desktop graphics experience, with regards to features, stability and performance."
I see a lot of schools dumping Windows, because 512 MB RAM at a minimum!! That's insane, on that kind of box you can run Linux + KDE with all the bells and whistles turned up.

yeah if that just what the OS needs you would need 2GB to run photoshop. Although I was expecting it to be that high from what I've heard about how they are beefing it up even more. Aparently MS said it could run 5 DVD's at once but what they didn't tell people is you need a supercomputer to do it. It annoys me when I hear my old computer teacher say "but Vista can run 5 DVD's at once!", so can Linux biatch! Also do any graphics cards right now even support WDDM now? I havn't heard of it in any cards untill now. Is this that thing about the DRM like monitor plug?

CptnObvious999 wrote:yeah if that just what the OS needs you would need 2GB to run photoshop. Although I was expecting it to be that high from what I've heard about how they are beefing it up even more.

Remember that Windows XP had this absolute minimum requirement of 128 MB of RAM, and it ran like total crap, if it had less than 192 MB of RAM. If Vista is gonna be like that, with 512 MB of RAM as the absolute minimum, then I think it really would opt for more Linux adoption. SUSE Linux, which does require a little more horsepower to function than something like Mepis (I havn't tried Mepis on an older box, so this is just an example) runs perfect on 512 MB of RAM, and actually not bad on 256 MB of RAM, it's a little slow, but not much if you have at least an 800 MHz CPU, and a lot of people do nowadays.

CptnObvious999 wrote:Aparently MS said it could run 5 DVD's at once but what they didn't tell people is you need a supercomputer to do it.

WHY THE FµCK would you wanna watch 5 movies at once!!

CptnObvious999 wrote:It annoys me when I hear my old computer teacher say "but Vista can run 5 DVD's at once!", so can Linux biatch!

ROFL, good one man!

CptnObvious999 wrote:Also do any graphics cards right now even support WDDM now? I havn't heard of it in any cards untill now. Is this that thing about the DRM like monitor plug?

I'm sure it has something to do with that new level of DRM shit, the record companies will never learn apperantly. Personally, I will refuse to buy any hardware with that shit built into it, they're talking about having DRM in the actual PCI-Express bus, which I find totally absolutely insane, that is just too far to go, because it prevents me from doing A LOT of legal stuff too.

As Leo Laporte clearly said when he was on TLLTS: "Digital Rights Management fails! And will always fail, it only impairs, it only impedes ligimitate honest users. Dishonest users have never been slowed down by DRM, only people who're honest.. that's kind of a fundemental flaw, you're punishing your actual customers, and you're failing to protect your stuff against pirates, SO IT DOESN'T WORK!!"

That Windows vista you will realistically need 1024 ram for it to run right, I would venture to say and who knows what other upgrades you may have to do, hardware and otherwise. I do not want it.

Well all I know is, today I went over to my neighbours and she had an old computer (p2- 400,96 mb ram 10 gig hard drive, 32 mb video) and was having such a hassle with windows ME not working right so she tried to put XP on, well that was a diaster, so I went over to try to help and I suggested she try linux, so we used the live CD's and she like Ubuntu better than Kanotix, so I put Ubuntu 5.04 version on, that I recieved last spring and the computer worked like it was new. I kid you not it worked like a charm. I set it all up for her (backgrounds, screen savers, updates, firefox etc), gave her a brief tutorial and she is happy.

no1important wrote:I kid you not it worked like a charm. I set it all up for her (backgrounds, screen savers, updates, firefox etc), gave her a brief tutorial and she is happy.

That's great, No1! It's such a great feeling when you get to acquaint people with their computers once again... isn't it.

I'm sure she appreciates it and I hope you get the chance to do it again for someone else.

They, they'll tell two friends about Linux and they'll tell to friends... and so on.... and so on..... and so on.......

Judland wrote:

no1important wrote:I kid you not it worked like a charm. I set it all up for her (backgrounds, screen savers, updates, firefox etc), gave her a brief tutorial and she is happy.

That's great, No1! It's such a great feeling when you get to acquaint people with their computers once again... isn't it.

I'm sure she appreciates it and I hope you get the chance to do it again for someone else.

They, they'll tell two friends about Linux and they'll tell to friends... and so on.... and so on..... and so on.......

I have converted about 10 people to linux so linux will have the majority desktop share in no time

What did you guys think of the Microsoft keynote at CES?

While I will admit that some of the vision is very appealing, I cannot see MS taking anyone there.

The opening vision I cannot see working as a close standard driven by one company. Furthermore, with MS's track record more that half-that stuff would be broke-down, virus ridden, slow and just plain buggy. That seamless integration would most likely be nothing more than a glitchy nightmare.

The pre-keynote fud fest was almost too much. They've turned a greedy, monopolistic who had every turn has stifled innovation and stolen its technology into a gentle, guiding giant whose not only want to lead the word with technology but build those bridges so you can forge ahead. It was almost too much!

One thing is evident. MS has a lot of clout and the capability to muscle it's way into all industries. All these services they talk about, I wonder how that will impact Apple and Linux?

Placing the X-Box at the pinnacle of Home Entertainment? I don't think so. I've pretty much heard nothing buy lackluster reviews from non-ms fanboys and non-industry pocketed media sources. I truly believe the PS3 is going to Kick the xbox 360 to the curb and then the Revolution will come in to finish the job.

They closed with the X-box 360 and it is evident that this is the single technology they must adamently push to the fore of their business. Should MS start losing the gaming market their ship is as good as sunk.

dann wrote:and then the Revolution will come in to finish the job.

Nice sentence Dann, and a good vision too

Let's face it, Microsoft is an expert at creating hype and they're probably world champ. at creating FUD, but that's not the problem, the problem is that people buy all their hype FUD; they fuckin' believe that shit, for example just the other day a commune here in Denmark were getting rid of IBM Lotus and they went with Microsoft Office instead of OpenOffice because they had their mind set on the thing about MS Office being cheaper in traning and cheap in general, HOW CAN A FREE PRODUCT BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAT MICROSOFT OFFICE!!!!! It's just ridiculous, and by the way OpenOffice 2.0 looks a heck of a lot more like Microsoft Office than IBM Lotus. And there ya have it, a reallife example of people just eating up all Microsoft's hype and FUD, annoys the hell out of me.

Tsuroerusu wrote:

dann wrote:and then the Revolution will come in to finish the job.

Nice sentence Dann, and a good vision too

Let's face it, Microsoft is an expert at creating hype and they're probably world champ. at creating FUD, but that's not the problem, the problem is that people buy all their hype FUD; they fuckin' believe that shat, for example just the other day a commune here in Denmark were getting rid of IBM Lotus and they went with Microsoft Office instead of OpenOffice because they had their mind set on the thing about MS Office being cheaper in traning and cheap in general, HOW CAN A FREE PRODUCT BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAT MICROSOFT OFFICE!!!!! It's just ridiculous, and by the way OpenOffice 2.0 looks a heck of a lot more like Microsoft Office than IBM Lotus. And there ya have it, a reallife example of people just eating up all Microsoft's hype and FUD, annoys the hell out of me.

I hear you. I can't stand it how hype is more influential then plain facts. I also hope the Revolution comes out on top. I know I'm going to buy it just so I can play some of those old N64 games. I'm not sure if the PS3 is going to beat the Xbox 360 mainly because of the price.

CptnObvious999 wrote:I hear you. I can't stand it how hype is more influential then plain facts. I also hope the Revolution comes out on top. I know I'm going to buy it just so I can play some of those old N64 games. I'm not sure if the PS3 is going to beat the Xbox 360 mainly because of the price.

Hehe, Nintendo has said that there are still some things about the Revolution that we don't know yet, so it's gonna get very interesting at this year's E3 in May, where they will finally unveil the whole thing. Also, one thing that I think Nintendo is doing very right is not charging for online play on their games on the Revoluton, EA and Namco may choose to do so if they want to, that way, people that don't have a way of paying will be able to play online, for example, I can't subscribe to Xbox Live because my mum refuses to get a VISA og Mastercard, so even if I wanted to get Xbox Live, I couldn't get it. So charging can sometimes be more than an economic barrier to entry. I look forward to see the price of the Revolution two years after launch, because Nintendo might just price it at 199 dollars or maybe even less, and if they had that console down at 99 bucks just 1½ to 2 years after launch it would greatly outweigh the Xbox 360 in terms of price.

Gaming aside, I was just listening to one of Leo Laporte's KFI radio shows and a listener called in regarding some Linux stuff, and he mentioned that he found a replacement to Quicken, KMyMoney, but he couldn't get it installed after he went to their website and downloaded it. I think we need to teach people to stick with their package managers and rely on the distribution to provide them with the applications they need, this concept of going to a website and downloading an application just seems fundementally flawed on Linux, because of the difference between distros these days. For example how could you ever make a single binary package that would be compatible with both Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE and Debian? That just seems impossible because different versions of glibc is used and fundementally different cores. I use SUSE exclusively these days so I can only speak of experiences with it, what I think they need to do is make a better CD package layout so you only need two CDs to install a desktop (Funny enough they have done this in the past with their SUSE Linux 9.1 Personal) and if you want stuff like GCC and stuff like that you need CD3 and if you want Apache, bind or extra packages in general you would be on CD4 and CD5, and out of the box you should be hooked up to their big package repositories so than when you wanted to install some more stuff you shouldn't use the CDs the applications would just be downloaded off the internet, this way we wouldn't run into the issue of inexperienced users trying to install an RPM for Fedora Core on SUSE or a deb file for Ubuntu on SUSE. A lot of people say that we need to have a universal binary format, but I think that if we were to get that we should have implemented something like that years ago, the difference between distros today are just too big, in my opinion.

Tsuroerusu wrote:

CptnObvious999 wrote:I hear you. I can't stand it how hype is more influential then plain facts. I also hope the Revolution comes out on top. I know I'm going to buy it just so I can play some of those old N64 games. I'm not sure if the PS3 is going to beat the Xbox 360 mainly because of the price.

Hehe, Nintendo has said that there are still some things about the Revolution that we don't know yet, so it's gonna get very interesting at this year's E3 in May, where they will finally unveil the whole thing. Also, one thing that I think Nintendo is doing very right is not charging for online play on their games on the Revoluton, EA and Namco may choose to do so if they want to, that way, people that don't have a way of paying will be able to play online, for example, I can't subscribe to Xbox Live because my mum refuses to get a VISA og Mastercard, so even if I wanted to get Xbox Live, I couldn't get it. So charging can sometimes be more than an economic barrier to entry. I look forward to see the price of the Revolution two years after launch, because Nintendo might just price it at 199 dollars or maybe even less, and if they had that console down at 99 bucks just 1½ to 2 years after launch it would greatly outweigh the Xbox 360 in terms of price.

Yeah Nintendo has always been good with setting a good cost on their consoles while still making money off them.

Tsuroerusu wrote:Gaming aside, I was just listening to one of Leo Laporte's KFI radio shows and a listener called in regarding some Linux stuff, and he mentioned that he found a replacement to Quicken, KMyMoney, but he couldn't get it installed after he went to their website and downloaded it. I think we need to teach people to stick with their package managers and rely on the distribution to provide them with the applications they need, this concept of going to a website and downloading an application just seems fundementally flawed on Linux, because of the difference between distros these days. For example how could you ever make a single binary package that would be compatible with both Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE and Debian? That just seems impossible because different versions of glibc is used and fundementally different cores. I use SUSE exclusively these days so I can only speak of experiences with it, what I think they need to do is make a better CD package layout so you only need two CDs to install a desktop (Funny enough they have done this in the past with their SUSE Linux 9.1 Personal) and if you want stuff like GCC and stuff like that you need CD3 and if you want Apache, bind or extra packages in general you would be on CD4 and CD5, and out of the box you should be hooked up to their big package repositories so than when you wanted to install some more stuff you shouldn't use the CDs the applications would just be downloaded off the internet, this way we wouldn't run into the issue of inexperienced users trying to install an RPM for Fedora Core on SUSE or a deb file for Ubuntu on SUSE. A lot of people say that we need to have a universal binary format, but I think that if we were to get that we should have implemented something like that years ago, the difference between distros today are just too big, in my opinion.

The whole thing is each one comes to existence to fix the others problems instead of fixing the others.

CptnObvious999 wrote:The whole thing is each one comes to existence to fix the others problems instead of fixing the others.

I think I smell Ubuntu

Anyway, I don't know maybe Microsoft will acheive world domination, who knows? Or maybe Apple will, and we Linux users are just sitting here for ourselves chilling and focusing on making what we need and not expanding our userbase by any means, it just seems so much eaisier to just go with the flow of the river, you know?

Tsuroerusu wrote:Anyway, I don't know maybe Microsoft will acheive world domination, who knows? Or maybe Apple will, and we Linux users are just sitting here for ourselves chilling and focusing on making what we need and not expanding our userbase by any means, it just seems so much eaisier to just go with the flow of the river, you know?

True but there are many benifits to bringing everyone to linux. More hardware support for vendors. More games for linux. Overall just more support and choice.

CptnObvious999 wrote:True but there are many benifits to bringing everyone to linux. More hardware support for vendors. More games for linux. Overall just more support and choice.

Choice will always be there for those who want it, also if hardware vendors are going to embed hardware DRM into motherboards in the future, who cares about new support from vendors, when we already have a huge amount of hardware out there that both Linux and BSD runs on.

Look at my own needs, I really don't care about games for Linux,
consoles are a better solution for me because they have the games
that I like, an example could be Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong.

Also, if the US government continues to make laws that promote DRM and shit like that I bet ya distribution of Linux will be illegal and considered warez in a few years

So we'll all be going to IRC and sharing and developing this software in the underground of the internet

I'm just a little depressed right now