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Lots of cheap PPC Macs on eBay

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:21 pm
by Wally Balljacker
This thing is just begging for a Linux install!

300 bucks for a Dual-Core 2.3 GHz PowerMac G5

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-POWERMAC-G5-2 ... dZViewItem

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:58 pm
by snarkout
I'm guessing it'll be $300 for a machine you never see at prices like that.

Re: Lots of cheap PPC Macs on eBay

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:16 am
by Tsuroerusu
Wally Balljacker wrote:This thing is just begging for a Linux install!

300 bucks for a Dual-Core 2.3 GHz PowerMac G5
Or *BSD, you know. :wink:

Re: Lots of cheap PPC Macs on eBay

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:49 pm
by thetza
Tsuroerusu wrote:
Wally Balljacker wrote:This thing is just begging for a Linux install!

300 bucks for a Dual-Core 2.3 GHz PowerMac G5
Or *BSD, you know. :wink:
not really; freebsd and netbsd don't support g5 at all and openbsd's support is in the alpha stage.

Re: Lots of cheap PPC Macs on eBay

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:57 am
by Tsuroerusu
thetza wrote:not really; freebsd and netbsd don't support g5 at all and openbsd's support is in the alpha stage.
Darn, I wasn't aware of that. I did a little checking on OpenBSD's macppc status page and came accross this: "After the 3.8 release, support for the G5 was started, with the goal to have full G5 support ship in the next release. SMP development is also in progress now." so at least that's good news. I wonder why G5 support, and PowerPC support in general is so limited, I mean Apple uses BSD as the foundation for OS X, wouldn't it be possible to take some code from Darwin and use some of that to improve PPC support in FreeBSD (Since that's what Darwin is at it's heart). But what the heck, the G5 machines are hell expensive in most cases anyway, I think the Mac mini's would be cool to have running OpenBSD, seriously, wouldn't it be cool to have that sucker sittin' with a pufferfish over in the corner? :lol:
(I like security on steroids, and that's pretty much what OpenBSD is!)

Also, question for you thetza, do you know how good Linux's G5 support? Can Linux take advantage of the 64-bit features of the PowerPC 970 chip? Also, what Linux distro has the best PPC support?

Re: Lots of cheap PPC Macs on eBay

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:02 am
by thetza
Tsuroerusu wrote: Darn, I wasn't aware of that. I did a little checking on OpenBSD's macppc status page and came accross this: "After the 3.8 release, support for the G5 was started, with the goal to have full G5 support ship in the next release. SMP development is also in progress now." so at least that's good news. I wonder why G5 support, and PowerPC support in general is so limited
Expensive hardware is probably the #1 reason.
Tsuroerusu wrote:I mean Apple uses BSD as the foundation for OS X, wouldn't it be possible to take some code from Darwin and use some of that to improve PPC support in FreeBSD (Since that's what Darwin is at it's heart).
Not really; the user land tools are taken from freebsd, but the kernel is based off mach.
Tsuroerusu wrote:But what the heck, the G5 machines are hell expensive in most cases anyway, I think the Mac mini's would be cool to have running OpenBSD, seriously, wouldn't it be cool to have that sucker sittin' with a pufferfish over in the corner? :lol:
(I like security on steroids, and that's pretty much what OpenBSD is!)
http://www.soekris.com/ <<=== even cooler. They even have encryption accelerators designed specifically for openbsd.
Tsuroerusu wrote:Also, question for you thetza, do you know how good Linux's G5 support? Can Linux take advantage of the 64-bit features of the PowerPC 970 chip? Also, what Linux distro has the best PPC support?
AFAIK its fully supported; Torvalds himself uses a G5 tower I think. The best distro would most likely be debian or one of its evil spawns.

If you really want freebsd/netbsd on G5, the best way is to start a fund and buy a tower for one of the core kernel developers. Thats how openbsd initially got ported to G5. (as a side note, you should try and find the donation page for the openbsd g5 port; there's an interesting flame war concerning the fact that the porter is a fundamentalist christian with all sorts of abrasive 'views' on his web page).

That said, opterons will probably be more bang for the buck imho.

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:25 am
by snarkout
The Soekeris 4801 is great for what it is, but it is no mac mini. Not by a long shot. And it's a total pain in the ass to get up and runing, even with debian or netbsd.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:25 am
by Aaron X
Contraversal.... the item has been removed from e-bay... woooo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:31 am
by snarkout
/does a victory dance

Yesss. Who called it? I guess the saga of the powAr book didn't teach some of us anything.