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I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 on a spare partition, with the network install disc. Unfortunately, it asks me for an HTTP, or FTP server address to pull all the packages from, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to enter. The Debian net installer gives me a list of mirrors I can use, I don't see anything to choose from for SUSE.

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 ...

Well the first thing he'll do is correct you in that there's no distro called OpenSUSE. It's called SUSE. The project is called OpenSUSE. Go figure. Just a warning to you

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 on a spare partition, with the network install disc. Unfortunately, it asks me for an HTTP, or FTP server address to pull all the packages from, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to enter. The Debian net installer gives me a list of mirrors I can use, I don't see anything to choose from for SUSE.

SUSE has something called the factory tree, which is comparable to Debian unstable, but since SUSE releases more often than Debian, it's really not something you should use on a main workstation.

Here's an install source for ya: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distr ... st-source/

Be aware that there cam be inconsistencies in that tree, but if you stick with the default installation I think you'll be fine, I heard that beta8 was quite good and since we're 3 - 4 days away from RC1 then it should be doable.

Since I havn't tried doing a network install with any of the 10.1 stuff, I can't tell what that screen looks like, but in 10.0 you needed to seperate the server address and the directory path, that should be changed in 10.1.

Patrick wrote:

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 ...

Well the first thing he'll do is correct you in that there's no distro called OpenSUSE. It's called SUSE. The project is called OpenSUSE. Go figure. Just a warning to you

Thanks for doing my job Pat

Tsuroerusu wrote:

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 on a spare partition, with the network install disc. Unfortunately, it asks me for an HTTP, or FTP server address to pull all the packages from, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to enter. The Debian net installer gives me a list of mirrors I can use, I don't see anything to choose from for SUSE.

SUSE has something called the factory tree, which is comparable to Debian unstable, but since SUSE releases more often than Debian, it's really not something you should use on a main workstation.

Here's an install source for ya: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distr ... st-source/

Be aware that there cam be inconsistencies in that tree, but if you stick with the default installation I think you'll be fine, I heard that beta8 was quite good and since we're 3 - 4 days away from RC1 then it should be doable.

Since I havn't tried doing a network install with any of the 10.1 stuff, I can't tell what that screen looks like, but in 10.0 you needed to seperate the server address and the directory path, that should be changed in 10.1.

Patrick wrote:

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 ...

Well the first thing he'll do is correct you in that there's no distro called OpenSUSE. It's called SUSE. The project is called OpenSUSE. Go figure. Just a warning to you

Thanks for doing my job Pat

I tried entering in another mirror I found on their website, but I just get an invalid error message. It wants an FTP server IP address in the form of 0.0.0.0.

Wally Balljacker wrote:I tried entering in another mirror I found on their website, but I just get an invalid error message. It wants an FTP server IP address in the form of 0.0.0.0.

Weird, did you try the one I posted above?

I have to say though, it's been so long since I tried a network install of SUSE that I hardly can remember what it looks like. Try to tinker a little around with the FTP mirrors, or try an FTP one, here's a list: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirrors_Development_Build
The mirrors are not listed with the installation source path, and some of them don't contain the factory tree.

To me to seems like a little bit of a hastle to do a network install, if I were you I would just wait for RC1 one and download the CDs, you only need the first tree for a default install (So don't install extra software during the installation, like GCC), or if you don't mind downloading just get the CDs for beta8.

A network install of SUSE in general is not hard to do when we're talking about a stable release, but a network install of a development version can be a little bit of a hastle sometimes. openSUSE is still a young project, so I think it's gonna be a little while before the development versions of SUSE Linux will be very very easy to install over the network.

Patrick wrote:

Wally Balljacker wrote:I'd like to try installing OpenSUSE 10.1 beta8 ...

Well the first thing he'll do is correct you in that there's no distro called OpenSUSE. It's called SUSE. The project is called OpenSUSE. Go figure. Just a warning to you

He'll have to correct your recent guest, an ex SuSE employee, who also said he was running OpenSuSE.

Gomer_X wrote:He'll have to correct your recent guest, an ex SuSE employee, who also said he was running OpenSuSE.

Actually, I tried that by yelling in the IRC during the show, but you know, yelling doesn't solve anything.

Anyway, if you go to www.opensuse.org and look right under the title saying "Welcome to openSUSE.org" you will see this: "The openSUSE project is a worldwide community program sponsored by Novell that promotes the use of Linux everywhere. The program provides anyone with free and easy access to the world's most usable Linux distribution, SUSE Linux."

If you still don't believe me, watch this presentation from FOSDEM: ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2006-op ... _small.ogg

Tsuroerusu wrote:

Gomer_X wrote:He'll have to correct your recent guest, an ex SuSE employee, who also said he was running OpenSuSE.

Actually, I tried that by yelling in the IRC during the show, but you know, yelling doesn't solve anything.

Anyway, if you go to www.opensuse.org and look right under the title saying "Welcome to openSUSE.org" you will see this: "The openSUSE project is a worldwide community program sponsored by Novell that promotes the use of Linux everywhere. The program provides anyone with free and easy access to the world's most usable Linux distribution, SUSE Linux."

If you still don't believe me, watch this presentation from FOSDEM: ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2006-op ... _small.ogg

No offense, but they should really just make the distrobution called OpenSuSE instead of just SuSE to make it more obvious to users that it is different than the commercial version. Plus the website is OpenSuSE.org . I think it was wise for RedHat to deviate its commercial distro from its free one (Fedora).

CptnObvious999 wrote:No offense, but they should really just make the distrobution called OpenSuSE instead of just SuSE to make it more obvious to users that it is different than the commercial version.

Plus the website is OpenSuSE.org . I think it was wise for RedHat to deviate its commercial distro from its free one (Fedora).

Well, 10.1 will bring some changes to the field, there will be no naming difference between the version with proprietary plugins and the 100% open source version. The difference here is that the one with proprietary stuff will be hosted at ftp.suse.com and the one with only open source stuff will be available at opensuse.org, and by the way, SUSE is a commercial product for Novell, unlike Fedora which is non-commericial expect that it's the base for Red Hat Enterprise.

So for 10.1 there will be no "evaluation edition" and no "OSS edition", so that mess will finally be over.

CptnObvious999 wrote:No offense, but they should really just make the distrobution called OpenSuSE instead of just SuSE to make it more obvious to users that it is different than the commercial version. Plus the website is OpenSuSE.org . I think it was wise for RedHat to deviate its commercial distro from its free one (Fedora).

Either that or people should just not worry so much about it and concern themselves with something important instead.

I hear Fedora developers alternatively calling the distro "Fedora Linux," "Fedora Core," or just "Fedora." There are books out that call it "Red Hat Fedora." I just don't see anybody making such a big deal about it. Even the web site is inconsistent, but they still seem to be able to produce a decent distro.

Gomer_X wrote:Either that or people should just not worry so much about it and concern themselves with something important instead.

Yeah, I'm actually slowly getting to that point.

Gomer_X wrote:I hear Fedora developers alternatively calling the distro "Fedora Linux," "Fedora Core," or just "Fedora." There are books out that call it "Red Hat Fedora." I just don't see anybody making such a big deal about it. Even the web site is inconsistent, but they still seem to be able to produce a decent distro.

That's actually a very good point you bring up, as long as the distro is good, who cares what it's called?

Same thing with the Linux kernel itself, some people say Lajinix, or as people here in Denmark say it: Leenux

Tsuroerusu wrote: That's actually a very good point you bring up, as long as the distro is good, who cares what it's called?

The real problem Novell has is not clearly separating their corporate desktop from their community project from the beginning and sticking with it. Is it SuSE, OpenSUSE or NLD? Who knows?

Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Core sound nothing alike, so there's not much of a problem. Hopefully Novell will stick with the naming scheme they've got until people eventually get it. If it's good, people will use it. SUSE has been around a while, and I'm sure the name still means something to a lot of people.

I respect SUSE, I just don't use it.

Gomer_X wrote:The real problem Novell has is not clearly separating their corporate desktop from their community project from the beginning and sticking with it. Is it SuSE, OpenSUSE or NLD? Who knows?

Novell has actually stated this quite clearly, when they announced SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, but in case you didn't see that, please allow me to show you:

Corporate/Enterprise oriented products:
Novell Open Enterprise Server
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop

Community products:
SUSE Linux

SLED is the successor to NLD, the reason I list "SUSE Linux" as a "community product" is because you can go to Fry's a purchase a commercially packaged version of it with a manual and installation support, openSUSE is the community project that develops and maintains SUSE Linux. With 10.1, if you want the binary-only plugins and stuff like that, you can find a 1:1 copy of the retail version at ftp.suse.com, and the version you can find at opensuse.org is 100% open source software, although there will be a link from opensuse.org to a page representing the other flavor, there will be no naming difference, just "SUSE Linux".

Gomer_X wrote:Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Core sound nothing alike, so there's not much of a problem. Hopefully Novell will stick with the naming scheme they've got until people eventually get it. If it's good, people will use it. SUSE has been around a while, and I'm sure the name still means something to a lot of people.

Actually, I like the name "SUSE", it's not only because SUSE originated in Germany, which is a neighbor to Denmark, but I just like the name in general, I think it's a great name.

Gomer_X wrote:I respect SUSe, I just don't use it.

You're a GNOME user right? Check this out: http://linuxcult.com/story/03232006/a_l ... _1s_gnome/