Is Now the Time to Move to Linux? Pat says yes

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:36 pm

hellonorman wrote:No, you spoke as though the article was citing Ubuntu as the cause of the problems it speaks of. When the article is actually suggesting that Ubuntu is eliminating those problems.

That's your interpretation. You mis-interpreted.

Melby is quoted, "Similar applications, features or utilities may have names or operations that are not familiar to the user," he said, adding that it might take some time to adjust."

He later says that Ubuntu is shortening the learning curve, but doesn't state that Ubuntu is directly addressing the problem he stated earlier.

I'm saying that the problem he first mentioned is addressed in Mandriva One.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:40 pm

dann wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:
hellonorman wrote:The article suggests that Ubuntu is making the adjustment to linux easier.
I think I can speak for both David and myself right about now, but when we read that sentence you indirectly quoted there, to us it seems like "Ubuntu is becoming Linux"
Wait a minute, I thought Linux was Ubuntu????

Tsuroerusu wrote: but am I the only one getting a little sick hearing about how "Ubuntu is so wonderful and nothing else can match it's level of perfect" ???
Get it right, pal, perfect strives to rise to the level of Ubuntu. So your statement should have been "Ubuntu is so wonderful that perfect strives to match the level of Ubuntu."

Now when you are finished messing around with inferior Ubuntu wanna-bes like SuSE, Mandriva, and Slackware get the world's best OS back on your system - Cause Brown is No longer Flushed Down.

All hail the brown robed one! Is that you, Mr. Hankey?

Howdy, Ho!

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:42 pm

dann wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:
hellonorman wrote:The article suggests that Ubuntu is making the adjustment to linux easier.
I think I can speak for both David and myself right about now, but when we read that sentence you indirectly quoted there, to us it seems like "Ubuntu is becoming Linux"
Wait a minute, I thought Linux was Ubuntu????

That's what I mean.

dann wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote: but am I the only one getting a little sick hearing about how "Ubuntu is so wonderful and nothing else can match it's level of perfect" ???
Get it right, pal, perfect strives to rise to the level of Ubuntu. So your statement should have been "Ubuntu is so wonderful that perfect strives to match the level of Ubuntu."

Now when you are finished messing around with inferior Ubuntu wanna-bes like SuSE, Mandriva, and Slackware get the world's best OS back on your system - Cause Brown is No longer Flushed Down.

Hmmmmm wannabes you say? Well at least those wannabes can set up a piece of shit, seven year old monitor correctly without me needing to edit xorg.conf, and they can provide a KDE desktop that doesn't suck here and there.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:45 pm

Chill, man. Dann's just goofing on ya!

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:47 pm

Judland wrote:Chill, man. Dann's just goofing on ya!

I know, I know, I'm just saying what I would be saying if he wasn't goofing

Post by **dann** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:10 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:[Hmmmmm wannabes you say? Well at least those wannabes can set up a piece of shat, seven year old monitor correctly without me needing to edit xorg.conf, and they can provide a KDE desktop that doesn't suck here and there.

That just means your monitor is defective or "less than perfect." In such instances it is not Ubuntu that should stoop to the inferior level of your monitor but your monitor that should rise itself up to the ubuntuness of ubuntu. You monitor should climb on the shoulders of perfection to reach Ubuntu. Otherwise, discard that monitor for it is not like Ubuntu and thus not worth anything to anyone.

Do not attempt to sully Ubuntu with your broken hardware. So let it be written, so let it be browned.

snarkout · Post by **snarkout** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:23 pm

Brown Eye for the Linux Guy?

hellonorman · Post by **hellonorman** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:27 pm

Judland wrote:
"Sometimes they are challenged by the time that it takes them to refamiliarize themselves with the nuances of the graphical user interface. Similar applications, features or utilities may have names or operations that are not familiar to the user," he said, adding that it might take some time to adjust.
This isn't a problem if they tried something other than Ubuntu all of the time.

Judland wrote: If newbies are finding that it is taking time to adjust to Ubuntu, I'm suggesting that using a "simpler" distro.

The proof is in the pudding.

Judland wrote:
I'm not sure how this relates particularly to Mandriva One.

Maybe mandriva doesn't either and thats why Ubuntu gets more positive press.

Go to their website and attempt to download mandriva one. Hmmm eight different iso's for kde mandriva one. Hmm six different iso's for gnome mandriva one. They all claim english on them. Convoluted.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:37 pm

hellonorman wrote:Go to their website and attempt to download mandriva one. Hmmm eight different iso's for kde mandriva one. Hmm six different iso's for gnome mandriva one. They all claim english on them. Convoluted.

Yes, having a choice is a very pesky thing. Thankfully Ubuntu is trying to take care of that.

Might as well just make life even easier for everyone and just offer one OS for all of them to use no matter what language they speak, what they want to use their computer for, how they want it to look or even what price they want to pay. Hmmm... I think a company in the U.S. has got that market all locked up already, though.

Okay... I'm just having fun with ya.

Seriously, though, I work in a very diverse office (that is, many different nationalities). Although during our Installfest I only had one version of Mandriva One sent to me by Mandriva, two of our participants were very impressed to see that Mandriva did have versions of One available in Arabic and Hindi. That was something they did not expect, which made them even more interested in giving Linux a try. To me, this diversity is a good thing. It immediately tells the multi-national people that they are welcome in the community.

This is one of Mandriva's many strengths. Having this kind of choice may not be for everyone, but it is something that I admire.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:49 pm

hellonorman wrote:
Judland wrote:
"Sometimes they are challenged by the time that it takes them to refamiliarize themselves with the nuances of the graphical user interface. Similar applications, features or utilities may have names or operations that are not familiar to the user," he said, adding that it might take some time to adjust.
This isn't a problem if they tried something other than Ubuntu all of the time.

Judland wrote: If newbies are finding that it is taking time to adjust to Ubuntu, I'm suggesting that using a "simpler" distro.
The proof is in the pudding.

The only proof I see is that you're trying to "put words in my mouth". I don't see the proof of my quote saying that Ubuntu is the cause of the problem, as you've suggested. My comments just suggest that Ubuntu may not be the only good solution to the problem.... if it solves it at all. Granted, I haven't seen the latest version, so it's possible that they have changed the menu structure to address this.

I can say that Mandriva has taken such steps to make the Linux desktop more newbie friendly with their One release.

I do not address the issues with the Mandriva website, because I don't feel they directly impact the usability of the One desktop. There are more ways for newbies to get their hands on Mandriva One. One way is from geeks, like us. Another is through free magazine inserts. In fact, two people who attended our Installfest said they got the latest copy of Mandriva One this way.