Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

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Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

Post by greggh » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:46 pm

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ndard.html
Microsoft's embattled Office Open XML (OOXML) document format received ISO fast-track approval today after receiving support from approximately 86 percent of the national bodies that participated in the vote. ISO approval will be broadly perceived as a sign of validation for the document format which has received widespread criticism from technical experts and standards advocacy groups.
Also on Slashdot - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/01/2229207

Too bad this isn't an April Fool's joke :(

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:01 am

greggh wrote:Too bad this isn't an April Fool's joke :(
It was inevitable, Microsoft has next to unlimited amounts of funds to do lobbying and bribe the right people. I hate that it's like this, but you know if it has to happen, might as well be sooner than later. Fighting a battle that you're sure to loose anyway, is energy wasted in my opinion.
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Re: Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

Post by allix » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:40 am

Is this the end for odf?
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Re: Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

Post by diazamet » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:30 am

I don't see why this would be the end of ODF. Just because OOXML is deemed to be a standard, if more applications support ODF over OOXML, ODF will always have the interoperability trump card. And it should be a lot easier for application developers to implement a 600 page spec over a 6000 page spec.

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Post by allix » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:19 am

diazamet wrote:I don't see why this would be the end of ODF. Just because OOXML is deemed to be a standard, if more applications support ODF over OOXML, ODF will always have the interoperability trump card. And it should be a lot easier for application developers to implement a 600 page spec over a 6000 page spec.
The vast majority of people use Microsoft office in the world, once office 2007 and later which have ooxml as the default format become more popular, it will just be the linux minority that might just use it, I would love it to be the other way around but the majority of computer users are stubborn and are afraid of change, just like the same politicians get voted decade after decade.

For a document revolution to really happen , people need to get the hell away from Microsoft, going to apple is not a solution, as office 2007 runs on that and i cannot see the apple deity(Mr jobs) accepting ODF ;)

We can hope for a decent ooxml plugin from novell so we are not left in the dark when 100s of ooxml files come flying our way.
It will be interesting to see what Red Hat do though, they policy which they have kept from the very beginning is to not include any patent encumbered software, so will they exclude ooxml support in openoffice or will they sell out and provide it via paying Microsoft patent royalties?
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Re: Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

Post by diazamet » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:57 am

Yeah but even if OOXML didn't become a standard, what are the chances of MS adopting ODF as their default file format? Hell, there are standards for most things the web is based on (ie HTML, XML, CSS, etc) and MS still go their own way.

The chances are they would have (possibly) added ODF support but not make it default, in which case the main document format flying round the net would still be OOXML.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000 ... 367,00.htm
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/ ... oes_1.html
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Post by allix » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:07 am

You made a fair point, we could just say ODF is an alternative document format.
I don't think the argument about 6000 vs 600 pages is that effective because look at the ATI documentation released , that's many many pages and its not stopping anyone writing the drivers, ok its the definitive source for writing drivers unlike a document format that can be done anyway.
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Re: Microsoft's Office Open XML now an official ISO standard

Post by dann » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:21 am

From what I understand, though, it's not so much the amount of documentation but also that the documentation is incomplete in a lot of areas and makes it almost impossible to fully implement OOXML. Furthermore, there is a clause that if you implement OOXML that you have to implement it fully and the only one exempt from that is MS. They also have the right to change the specifications if they want.

Finally, from what I understand thus far, OOXML is not an open standard, but a standard as it can be encumbered. Correct me if I am wrong. Again, I recall that if you implement OOXML there is that whole problem with backwards compatibility with older office formats that are encumbered and thus not able to be implemented fully under OOXML without violating MS IP.

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