How long can the Xbox 360 keep the penguins out?

[Tsuroerusu]

How long will it take from the day Micro$uck releases the new Xbox 360 on the market until it runs Linux and FreeBSD?

Would be a darn good, and cheap, PC with Linux!

[CptnObvious999]

Id give it 1 year to have a fully working GUI. The Xbox 360 is supposed to be "unhackable".

[Tsuroerusu]

The minute Micro$oft says something is uncrackable/unhackable, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or the Xbox 360, it will be cracked because saying something can't be done, just encourages people to prove the opposite!

Imagine when we can put KDE on the Xbox 360 it will be like: Xbox K60

[CptnObvious999]

The minute Micro$oft says something is uncrackable/unhackable, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or the Xbox 360, it will be cracked because saying something can't be done, just encourages people to prove the opposite!

Imagine when we can put KDE on the Xbox 360 it will be like: Xbox K60

Thats true. Still many linux users are anti-microsoft so that would drive away some possible developers. It would probly take a while to get the GUI up if they are using a graphics card made only for the console. It takes a while to develop these things, look at DSLinux, it still doesn't have a full GUI after over a year. Maybe it would be easier since the Xbox will be using the ppc architecture most likely

[Tsuroerusu]

The minute Micro$oft says something is uncrackable/unhackable, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or the Xbox 360, it will be cracked because saying something can't be done, just encourages people to prove the opposite!

Imagine when we can put KDE on the Xbox 360 it will be like: Xbox K60

Thats true. Still many linux users are anti-microsoft so that would drive away some possible developers. It would probly take a while to get the GUI up if they are using a graphics card made only for the console. It takes a while to develop these things, look at DSLinux, it still doesn't have a full GUI after over a year. Maybe it would be easier since the Xbox will be using the ppc architecture most likely

Dude, I'm anti-Micro$oft to the heart, and I find it holarious that you can run Linux on Micro$oft's own hardware, think about it, what has completely crushed Windows in the server space? Linux. What is a million years ahead of Micro$oft when it comes to clustering? That's Linux and BSD!!!

Regarding DSLinux, I doubt it will have a full X-Window running, come on man, the Nintendo DS is not powerful enough hardware wise to my knowledge, and since Micro$oft is using ATi cards in the Xbox 360 a lot of generic drivers can eaisily be used or just tweaked a little so they work.

Think about the clustering you could do if you linked together 10 x Xbox 360, that would be 30 GHz!!!

[CptnObvious999]

The minute Micro$oft says something is uncrackable/unhackable, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or the Xbox 360, it will be cracked because saying something can't be done, just encourages people to prove the opposite!

Imagine when we can put KDE on the Xbox 360 it will be like: Xbox K60

Thats true. Still many linux users are anti-microsoft so that would drive away some possible developers. It would probly take a while to get the GUI up if they are using a graphics card made only for the console. It takes a while to develop these things, look at DSLinux, it still doesn't have a full GUI after over a year. Maybe it would be easier since the Xbox will be using the ppc architecture most likely

Dude, I'm anti-Micro$oft to the heart, and I find it holarious that you can run Linux on Micro$oft's own hardware, think about it, what has completely crushed Windows in the server space? Linux. What is a million years ahead of Micro$oft when it comes to clustering? That's Linux and BSD!!!

Regarding DSLinux, I doubt it will have a full X-Window running, come on man, the Nintendo DS is not powerful enough hardware wise to my knowledge, and since Micro$oft is using ATi cards in the Xbox 360 a lot of generic drivers can eaisily be used or just tweaked a little so they work.

Think about the clustering you could do if you linked together 10 x Xbox 360, that would be 30 GHz!!!

True. I don't think it would be 30GHz though if you clustered 10 together seeing as the overhead to manage them all and the low lattency of the cord connecting them (or maybe the wireless signal.....?) Anyone know how long it took to put Linux on the Xbox? Also about the anti-microsoft reason I havn't bought an Xbox and Im not going to buy an Xbox 360 because Microsoft still gets the money from the sales of the hardware.

Off-topic: Isn't the PS3 supposed to be running Linux or Mac? I really doubt Apple would ever let sony use their OS even if they got a per unit price. (If it was pure white they might consider it )

[Tsuroerusu]

Anything you would still have 10 x 3 GHz CPUs to use for all kinds of cool stuff if you're into 3D rendering or something, and this wouldn't be that expensive considering the power.

The old Xbox was cracked about 3 months after it's release and Linux ran very well on it about a year after that because they needed to write a custom NVIDIA driver and work around some PCI bugs...

If you buy an Xbox today, you're actually taking money from Micro$uck, they don't earn even a dime on the machine itself, so so you know.

The PS3 will be able to run Linux, and I don't think Apple will allow it's OS X to run on it, I've recently spoken to a friend of mine who has been reading a little on the Cell architecture, and he says it's pretty advanced, so it gets interesting to see how difficult it will be to create games for it.

[CptnObvious999]

I have heard the both Sony and Microsoft are lossing money off this, but then why are they doing it then? I think it may be they loose some money off the hardware but they make it back up with the game licencing. If not then it makes no sense. Nintendo is really the only one making money off their hardware. Personally I like the Revolution and Im going to get one because most games have become copies of other games and no new concepts are introduced. Anyways to get back on topic it depends on how hard Microsoft works to protect it. The Xbox is a computer, if you open it up you will see a standard harddrive and motherboard which probly made it easier to port Linux to the Xbox.

[Tsuroerusu]

I have heard the both Sony and Microsoft are lossing money off this, but then why are they doing it then? I think it may be they loose some money off the hardware but they make it back up with the game licencing. If not then it makes no sense. Nintendo is really the only one making money off their hardware. Personally I like the Revolution and Im going to get one because most games have become copies of other games and no new concepts are introduced. Anyways to get back on topic it depends on how hard Microsoft works to protect it. The Xbox is a computer, if you open it up you will see a standard harddrive and motherboard which probly made it easier to port Linux to the Xbox.

Well, if Sony were to make, say 20 bucks on the PS3 it would be priced around 500 bucks or maybe a lot more, and almost no one would ever pay that much for a gaming console. So what they do is that they take in huge losses in the beginning and "prey" that they make it back on software and stuff.

Personally I'd agree with you, I too prefer Nintendo for gaming (I've settled my gaming needs on my GameCube so that I can run ANY operating system I want on my PC and not be depending on any sort of crabby Micro$uck technology to play games) but that's just my preference I'm sure that there are those who really believe that better graphics makes a new sort of gameplay...
Anyway, something interesting to note about the Revolution is that Nintendo might be pricing it pretty cheaply because they are looking to draw in a new audience, people who they refer to a non-gamers, such as maybe your grandfather or your mother. I've read a few analysises on what Nintendo have said and done so far, and so far the puzzle looks like they will be making a strong but pretty decently priced console. Think about this kind of concept, go back maybe two and a half years, you would get more bang for your buck (Hey! That's in a red light district you get that right? Just kidding! ) by going with an AMD Athlon CPU over an Intel Pentium 4.
So this whole concept of delivering affordable power is absolutely possible.

So far Micro$oft has said that they have some kind of crab (Curtesy of Bill Gates, get it?) built into the CPU of the Xbox 360, this one might be a little tougher to crack than the old Xbox, but anything Micro$oft comes up with can definitely be cracked as long as they use their crabby Windows technology.
Since PPC Linux people already are so used to reverse engineer some of Apple's oddball designs in their Mac hardware I think that experience might help them reverse engineer Micro$oft's Xbox 360.

In case anyone wanted to know, the Xbox-Linux guys has already started the long process of cracking and hacking this at the Free60 project