2 noobie conversions coming up - which distro?

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:04 am

A co-worker of mine recently tried Kubuntu and reported that he was getting flaky application crashes every once in a while.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:08 am

Judland wrote:A co-worker of mine recently tried Kubuntu and reported that he was getting flaky application crashes every once in a while.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Yeah I've had the same experiences, and the KDE 3.5 packages are buggy, the Konqueror in there doesn't pass the Acid2 test, at least when I tried, and the Konqueror toolbars and stuff are crippled IMHO.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:09 am

Tsuroerusu wrote:Fair enough, but let me ask you, how easy is it for a newbie running Arch, set up by an advanced user of course, to update the system without using the commandline, install new software or change the system configuration?
SuSE can do all those things through the GUI, the last time I tried getting some people moved to Linux, they couldn't figure OpenOffice out so they went right back to Windows, and I doubt they will ever try Linux again.

I refuse to get in to a pissing match over this. If you want to know how easy Arch is, I suggest you try it for yourself. I tried to give SuSE a go, but the installer crapped out on me each and every time. So, I cannot comment on how easy or difficult it is either. I'm leaving it at that.

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:16 am

Judland wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:Fair enough, but let me ask you, how easy is it for a newbie running Arch, set up by an advanced user of course, to update the system without using the commandline, install new software or change the system configuration?
SuSE can do all those things through the GUI, the last time I tried getting some people moved to Linux, they couldn't figure OpenOffice out so they went right back to Windows, and I doubt they will ever try Linux again.
I refuse to get in to a pissing match over this. If you want to know how easy Arch is, I suggest you try it for yourself. I tried to give SuSE a go, but the installer crapped out on me each and every time. So, I cannot comment on how easy or difficult it is either. I'm leaving it at that.

What version of SuSE was that? 9.2 has a few bugs that annoyed the hell out of me, like when I plugged in a USB storage device the system would hard freezy, but that's long gone, thank goodness

But WTF, to hell with it

jamathis · Post by **jamathis** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:33 am

Maybe Xandros, it's pretty newbie friendly, although in my experience it can be buggy at times and KDE looks kind of crappy on it. SuSe 10 is nice as well.

Post by **Patrick** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:08 am

I finished the kubuntu laptop install for my co-workers daughter:
http://pdavila.homelinux.org/blog/

I'll get to my dad's machine next week.

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:13 am

Patrick wrote:I finished the kubuntu laptop install for my co-workers daughter:
http://pdavila.homelinux.org/blog/

I'll get to my dad's machine next week.

Fair enough, let's see how she feels about it.

Just to comment on your dislikes, I havn't noticed any of them with SUSE Linux 10.0

Just had to throw that one in there

I've never had to tweak config files to get wireless working on SUSE or Mandriva, just works out of the box, which is very nice IMHO.

hellonorman · Post by **hellonorman** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:18 pm

Judland wrote:
jsusanka wrote:you have my curiosity up with arch - I am going to give it a try.
Good for you I hope you like it as much as I do.

If you're not too enthusiastic about having to configure Xorg, KDE 3.5 and want to avoid some of the hoops in getting the 2.6 kernel installed, you may want to get the Underground Desktop ISO. It does a lot of the Arch setup automatically.

Let us know how you do.

Once you install Uderground Desktop do you then have a working Arch distro or does the Underground Desktop differ? Or another way to put it...is it just an installer for arch where you have access to exactly what arch offers or is it different?

Thanks

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:26 am

UD is a complete Arch Linux system. You can do everything under UD that you can do with Arch.

The big difference with UD compared to Arch is the install process.

UD installs on a partition of your choice, but it installs everything on that partition. It formats the partition as reiser4 (although this will change in the next release, I'm told, to reiserfs3), installs Lilo, and then Arch 0.71 with the latest kernel, 2.6.14 and the kwd auto-configure tool.

During the install you only get the options to: partition your hard drive with cfdisk, choose the partition to install to and which partition will be use for /swap, then decide your password for root. The rest is done by UD... no ifs, ands, or buts.

It also installs and configures Xorg for you, as well as KDE 3.5.

After that, you're pretty much on your own to set up your Arch system as you see fit.

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