KANOTIX 2005-04 Released

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KANOTIX 2005-04 Released

Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:12 am

KANOTIX 2005-04 was released only hours ago, but I guess Kano go it out before 2005 was over :wink:

I'm sure Pat's jumping up and down in joy already! :P :wink:

Announcement: http://kanotix.com/Article56.html
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Re: KANOTIX 2005-04 Released

Post by Patrick » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:59 am

Tsuroerusu wrote:KANOTIX 2005-04 was released only hours ago, but I guess Kano go it out before 2005 was over :wink:

I'm sure Pat's jumping up and down in joy already! :P :wink:

Announcement: http://kanotix.com/Article56.html
Sweet, considering I'm installing linux on my dads machine today. Downloading it right now.

Thanks for the heads up and Happy New Year!

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Post by Judland » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:49 am

What I found surprising is that it's released with KDE 3.4.3 rather than 3.5.

Hmmm.... Kanotix was cutting edge at one time. Is KDE 3.5 not part of Debian SID yet?

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:54 am

Judland wrote:Is KDE 3.5 not part of Debian SID yet?
Nope not yet, it's in "experimental".
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Post by Judland » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:03 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:Nope not yet, it's in "experimental".
Well, that explains it. Thanks!

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:08 pm

Judland wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:Nope not yet, it's in "experimental".
Well, that explains it. Thanks!
No problem man, it doesn't surprise at all though, the Debian guys are like snails to add new stuff, compared to Mandriva, SUSE, Arch and Ubuntu.
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Post by Wally Balljacker » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:37 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:
Judland wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:Nope not yet, it's in "experimental".
Well, that explains it. Thanks!
No problem man, it doesn't surprise at all though, the Debian guys are like snails to add new stuff, compared to Mandriva, SUSE, Arch and Ubuntu.
Some people prefer stability over the latest version number. Debian's testing process is far more rigorous, and time consuming than other distros.

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:57 pm

Wally Balljacker wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote:
Judland wrote: Well, that explains it. Thanks!
No problem man, it doesn't surprise at all though, the Debian guys are like snails to add new stuff, compared to Mandriva, SUSE, Arch and Ubuntu.
Some people prefer stability over the latest version number. Debian's testing process is far more rigorous, and time consuming than other distros.
Yeah, but you absoloutely can make a very stable distro without taking like 18 months or whatever between releases! Debian's release cycle is ridiculous IMO, once a year could be acceptable if they would provide updates to stuff like GNOME and KDE in a stable manner so people don't have to hang around Debian unstable and waiting for the system to brake.
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Post by Wally Balljacker » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:40 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:
Wally Balljacker wrote:
Tsuroerusu wrote: No problem man, it doesn't surprise at all though, the Debian guys are like snails to add new stuff, compared to Mandriva, SUSE, Arch and Ubuntu.
Some people prefer stability over the latest version number. Debian's testing process is far more rigorous, and time consuming than other distros.
Yeah, but you absoloutely can make a very stable distro without taking like 18 months or whatever between releases! Debian's release cycle is ridiculous IMO, once a year could be acceptable if they would provide updates to stuff like GNOME and KDE in a stable manner so people don't have to hang around Debian unstable and waiting for the system to brake.
Debian stable isn't optimal for desktop use, no. It's made for server use. There's a reason why Debian is on 1.2 million web servers: it's rock solid, and it just works. Debian testing which I use on the desktop is great, because you get relatively up to date software (link), without being bleeding edge, and aren't subject to the breakage that running pure unstable has. I love using a distro that has 4 different release branches, because I can choose exactly how current I want to be. I don't know of any other distro that offers that kind of flexibility.

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Post by Judland » Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:42 pm

Debian, as with all Linux distros., has its place. It does what it's designed to do. It also provides a choice, which is what Linux is all about.

Myself, I like exploring the new features and innovations on the desktop. Unfortunately, SID was just going through too many problems recently for my taste.

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:00 pm

Wally Balljacker wrote:Debian stable isn't optimal for desktop use, no. It's made for server use. There's a reason why Debian is on 1.2 million web servers: it's rock solid, and it just works.
Of course, Debian is great for that, who needs KDE for servers.

Wally Balljacker wrote:Debian testing which I use on the desktop is great, because you get relatively up to date software (link), without being bleeding edge, and aren't subject to the breakage that running pure unstable has. I love using a distro that has 4 different release branches, because I can choose exactly how current I want to be. I don't know of any other distro that offers that kind of flexibility.
Flexibility you say? I think Gentoo has an edge there, but then again most of us don't like compiling all the time :wink:
Debian is great I agree, too bad FSF doesn't like it anymore.
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Post by Wally Balljacker » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:11 pm

Judland wrote:Debian, as with all Linux distros., has its place. It does what it's designed to do. It also provides a choice, which is what Linux is all about.

Myself, I like exploring the new features and innovations on the desktop. Unfortunately, SID was just going through too many problems recently for my taste.
I too like exploring the latest free open source software. That's why KANOTIX, and live CDs in general are great, because I can run them off the CD, and check out the newest applications without messing with my Debian installation. 8)

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Post by Tsuroerusu » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:14 pm

Wally Balljacker wrote:I too like exploring the latest free open source software. That's why KANOTIX, and live CDs in general are great, because I can run them off the CD, and check out the newest applications without messing with my Debian installation. 8)
Hehe as Marcel Gagné said when he was on the show almost a year ago: "LiveCDs Rock People!"

I was happy I used a LiveCD to try out the first version of Kubuntu, because that thing was buggier than the last alpha version of SUSE I tested.
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Post by no1important » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:38 am

I will probabley move to "Underground Desktop" or try iy on my other hard drive in the next month or so, but if I were to install this over my current Kanotix on my main hard drive, would I lose everything? Like files, settings etc? I have it set up nice now and do not want to lose it all by installing a newer version.

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Post by Judland » Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:30 am

If the current Kanotix installer is anything like the beta release a few months back, the only files you would not lose (by installing the new version of Kanotix) is what's in your /home directory.

I do believe that everything else will get over-written. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

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