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Voice should, ostensibly, travel more than perfectly over a 64k line - aka a regular phone line. The problem you'll have with dsl is that there is most likely traffic shaping giving voip packets a low priority. Still, if all you're doing is skype, you should be absolutely fine with that connection. I'd imagine there'll be some lag though.
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I thought a regular phone line was 56k...thats the fastest modem I think.Snarkout wrote:Voice should, ostensibly, travel more than perfectly over a 64k line - aka a regular phone line. The problem you'll have with dsl is that there is most likely traffic shaping giving voip packets a low priority. Still, if all you're doing is skype, you should be absolutely fine with that connection. I'd imagine there'll be some lag though.
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Yeah maybe. but it costs me about 5 US dollars to call people in the US, which is just prohibitedly extensive, so it has to go over Skype.Snarkout wrote:Voice should, ostensibly, travel more than perfectly over a 64k line - aka a regular phone line.


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You lose a bit from every byte, so 8k out of 64k. A T1 is twenty four 64k channels, and a pots line is a single channel. Modems lose twice since a) there is the issue with the "robbed bit" and then b) there is also some packet overhead as well. The fastest you will ever actually see a dial up modem doing is probably 53k or so.CptnObvious999 wrote: I thought a regular phone line was 56k...thats the fastest modem I think.
I didn't mean to suggest that you call the states using your telephone. I was simply saying that regular analog pots calls are carried over a switched 64k network. You'll probably be ok with skype since you're quoted upload speeds are about twice that (though they apparently don't carry data that fast). BTW, those are some seriously out of whack speeds for dsl - is that common in your area?Yeah maybe. but it costs me about 5 US dollars to call people in the US, which is just prohibitedly extensive, so it has to go over Skype.
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I should point out that E1s do use 56k channels in some areas of the world, but having never seen or worked on that stuff, I know next to nothing about it. So in some areas of the world, you're right, a loop may be 56k if it's fed off an E1.
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1024/128 (Download: 1mbit, Upload: 16kbit) ?Snarkout wrote:BTW, those are some seriously out of whack speeds for dsl - is that common in your area?
It's hard to say, but I think it's not rare to find, but Denmark very high up on the list of countries with the highest internet prices. Some places in the US I've seen 5096/768 DSL lines, for less money than I pay for 1024/128 (I pay 359 DKK for it, which in US dollars is about 58 bucks).


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I just meant that 1024 down and 128 up is strange. I'm just wondering why you're being limited to 128k upstream. Maybe it's an idiosyncrasy of the phone system over there. Or maybe that's how they started selling, and there hasn't been any reason for them to change the rates.
FWIW, recently there have been some studies about the price of internet world-wide, and the US does pretty badly too. Our copper plant is essentially paid for with taxpayer dollars, and the telephone companies are supposed to be upgrading the existing plant to support high-speed internet, but so far it hasn't happened that way. In many areas of our country, dial-up is all that you can get, the copper plant, is a total mess, and the phone companies are rebuilding their monopoly. Recently the fcc ruled that telco's no longer had to offer ISPs the right to carry service on telco lines. This comes about a year and a half after "line share" went away (with line-share, the customers were attached to the ISPs dslam rather than the telco's dslam). Our current administration has done more to erode consumer rights, and hand power to the riaas, mpaas, at&ts and ma bells of our era than any other in recent history. It's sickening, really.
FWIW, recently there have been some studies about the price of internet world-wide, and the US does pretty badly too. Our copper plant is essentially paid for with taxpayer dollars, and the telephone companies are supposed to be upgrading the existing plant to support high-speed internet, but so far it hasn't happened that way. In many areas of our country, dial-up is all that you can get, the copper plant, is a total mess, and the phone companies are rebuilding their monopoly. Recently the fcc ruled that telco's no longer had to offer ISPs the right to carry service on telco lines. This comes about a year and a half after "line share" went away (with line-share, the customers were attached to the ISPs dslam rather than the telco's dslam). Our current administration has done more to erode consumer rights, and hand power to the riaas, mpaas, at&ts and ma bells of our era than any other in recent history. It's sickening, really.
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Denmark's problem is that we have this really huge ISP named TDC, which runs a huge monopoly on the cobber network, and they charge other companies to use their network to offer people phone service or DSL. Last time I asked TDC why the upload speed was so low when DSL can carry much higher speeds, they just ignorantly said: It's just our standards.Snarkout wrote:I just meant that 1024 down and 128 up is strange. I'm just wondering why you're being limited to 128k upstream. Maybe it's an idiosyncrasy of the phone system over there. Or maybe that's how they started selling, and there hasn't been any reason for them to change the rates.
The power companies here in Denmark owns a large chunk of fiber network, and they are in the process of making fiber connections available to the general public, unless of course TDC goes to the government and moans, kind of like the MPAA does in the US, which they are starting to do.
I look forward to the day when I can have a symmentric 10mbit fiber connection


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Ask and yie shall receive I guess.. For those of you who are interested, I *just* put a calendar up on the tllts.org site. Hopefully I can convince Pat to fill it up so we all konw what's going on. Also, if any of you have some events that you'd like to hav eon that calendar, just let us know and we'll get it on there and see if we can generate a little free publicity.CptnObvious999 wrote:There should really be a calendar on the site. I could help code one if you want. I know PHP, CSS, HTML, JavaScript, and SQL
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Wow thanks!Linc wrote:Ask and yie shall receive I guess.. For those of you who are interested, I *just* put a calendar up on the tllts.org site. Hopefully I can convince Pat to fill it up so we all konw what's going on. Also, if any of you have some events that you'd like to hav eon that calendar, just let us know and we'll get it on there and see if we can generate a little free publicity.CptnObvious999 wrote:There should really be a calendar on the site. I could help code one if you want. I know PHP, CSS, HTML, JavaScript, and SQL
Our guest list is shaping up quite nicely for the new year:
http://www.tllts.info/calendar/calendar ... 6&month=01
It was little tough getting guests during the holidays but we're rolling now. I'm still waiting for date confirmations on a couple of people. I'm hoping to get us booked solid up to LWE (first week in April).
Once we finalize our plans for LWE I can figure out if we'll need guests for the 3 days of the expo (I hope so).
Please continue letting us know who you want us to talk to. This has been an invaluable help to me.
http://www.tllts.info/calendar/calendar ... 6&month=01
It was little tough getting guests during the holidays but we're rolling now. I'm still waiting for date confirmations on a couple of people. I'm hoping to get us booked solid up to LWE (first week in April).
Once we finalize our plans for LWE I can figure out if we'll need guests for the 3 days of the expo (I hope so).
Please continue letting us know who you want us to talk to. This has been an invaluable help to me.
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Damn I look forward to the interview with Zack Rusin, by the way, I have just read an interview with Aaron Seigo, where stuff like porting a lot of KDE stuff to Windows and OS X was mentioned, and Aaron says that stuff like Plasma that heavily depend on Xorg, will not be ported to Windows, so already there we have a huge benefit of using Linux.Patrick wrote:Our guest list is shaping up quite nicely for the new year:
http://www.tllts.info/calendar/calendar ... 6&month=01
Okay then here's for for ya: Crispin Cowan, the founder and former CTO of Immunix.Patrick wrote:Please continue letting us know who you want us to talk to. This has been an invaluable help to me.
Novell acquired Immunix last year and open sourced it's AppArmor product a few days ago.
"This is something I always wanted to do, but with a small company you are hesitant to give away a major part of your intellectual property." - Cowan said in an interview about the opening of Immunix.
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