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Hey, goes to show that #1, I do have an open mind, and #2, I call things like I see them.Tsuroerusu wrote:OK, I just went to "Planet TLLTS" and found a couple of blogs postings by our dear Linc Fessenden, and you know what, I got scared like I just saw a horror movie or something, I litterally went out in the kitchen and cleared my eyes with some cold water, because I just couldn't believe that Linc would write: "I am using kde for now and really digging it! It's been a long time since I have tried it and if you are in the same boat, you really should look again."
After the shock cleared, I just smiled and remembered Zack Rusin saying that with SUSE KDE developer, Lubos Lunak's patches, KDE starts up faster than XFCE, that connected perfectly to one of Linc's other statements on his blog: "it started up in only a few seconds - possibly even faster than xfce4 on the same machine!"
See Linc, KDE guys do keep their promises!
Whew, I guess even hardcore UNIX geeks can change their minds about things!
Yes, fish & ftp in konq and the way usb devices are handled nicely are all real clinchers in my book. I particularly like fish - I had some real fun with that these past couple days and I simply cannot believe it is not a standard thing across all GUI's these days. My onlty disappointment so far has been trying nfs on kde the same way as smb or fish.mowestusa wrote:Linc,
I have also been reading your blog entries with interest. Since the KDE 3.4 series I have felt that KDE and XFCE were closer than further apart. When I was running Linux on a 500mhz machine with 256megs of ram, I thought I would try using XFCE on Simply Mepis. It felt a little faster than KDE 3.2 to start up, but since I liked using so many KDE apps at the time, I still had the same start up time for programs. Then Kanotix came out with KDE 3.4 and although I still thought that KDE took maybe a few seconds longer (like 5 sec. longer) to start up, I felt that it was useable once it was up and running. KDE also offers some nice time savers like "fish" "ftp" in Konqueror. I also like the USB sticks being recognized automatically.
I'll keep that in mind as I explore a bit. I will say this though, I really notice the difference between Sackware and Ubuntu using KDE. Not that there wasn't a difference before but I was using 2 different GUI's. Now I am using the same kde on both types of Linux and kde+slackware@1ghz has few dificulties keeping up with kde+Ubuntu@3ghz.mowestusa wrote: Now I run Slackware on a 1Ghz with 256megs of ram. With this set up I see no difficulty at all using KDE 3.4. When you got your new laptop I was surprised that you still felt the need to run XFCE because under Slackware, I don't believe that XFCE runs any faster than KDE, and some of the automation offered by KDE is reason enough to use it over XFCE.
I know that XFCE is supposed to be a lighter weight desktop, but I'm having trouble seeing it. Perhaps I would notice a big difference if I ran it on a 300mhz with only 128megs or 64megs or ram. I don't know if XFCE would even run well under that, you might need Fluxbox instead.
Anyway, I'm excited to hear about you using KDE Linc. I would love to hear any tips or tricks in your blog that apply to KDE under Slackware, since I have that same set up.
mowestusa
Ubuntu has also done some customizations to KDE that I, personally, just can't stand, like how they set up the toolbars in Konqueror and the background in the file manager.Linc wrote:I'll keep that in mind as I explore a bit. I will say this though, I really notice the difference between Sackware and Ubuntu using KDE. Not that there wasn't a difference before but I was using 2 different GUI's. Now I am using the same kde on both types of Linux and kde+slackware@1ghz has few dificulties keeping up with kde+Ubuntu@3ghz.
Yeah, what is up with that ?? Linux's own native network protocol not supported by Konqueror ?Linc wrote: My onlty disappointment so far has been trying nfs on kde the same way as smb or fish.
All the more reason to zap Ubuntu install and put Slack back. We need some of the old die hards like you, Linc, to stick with Slack so that we have updates on good things from Patrick's world. I have to say that there has been so much, "Under Ubuntu I did this, and in ubuntu you just do this," that TLLTS is starting to sound like that Englishmen Ubuntu love fest that comes out every other week. We have enough guys pimping Ubuntu (LUGRadio, LottaLinux Links, Dann on PPC, Pat on his Laptop), we need 100% Slack guys. We all know that we have the ultimate pimp for SUSE so they need no other voices.Linc wrote: I'll keep that in mind as I explore a bit. I will say this though, I really notice the difference between Sackware and Ubuntu using KDE. Not that there wasn't a difference before but I was using 2 different GUI's. Now I am using the same kde on both types of Linux and kde+slackware@1ghz has few dificulties keeping up with kde+Ubuntu@3ghz.
I for one won't be leaving Slack any time soon.mowestusa wrote:We need some of the old die hards like you, Linc, to stick with Slack so that we have updates on good things from Patrick's world. I have to say that there has been so much, "Under Ubuntu I did this, and in ubuntu you just do this," that TLLTS is starting to sound like that Englishmen Ubuntu love fest that comes out every other week. We have enough guys pimping Ubuntu (LUGRadio, LottaLinux Links, Dann on PPC, Pat on his Laptop), we need 100% Slack guys.
I'll take that as a compliment, hey I wanna say something here. I may talk about SUSE quite a lot, and I recommend it a lot, but I AM NOT A SUSE ZEALOT! And I will openly admit that SUSE 10.1 is very rough around the edges, it really needs some work.mowestusa wrote:We all know that we have the ultimate pimp for SUSE so they need no other voices.
I already run Slackware and *always* will somewhere I am sure. I have often given thought to putting it back on my main workstation but I have just been procrastinating. Now I am curious about the next release of Ubuntu, but That is still quite a ways off. I guess we'll see what happens, but I will always have my Slackwaremowestusa wrote: All the more reason to zap Ubuntu install and put Slack back. We need some of the old die hards like you, Linc, to stick with Slack so that we have updates on good things from Patrick's world. I have to say that there has been so much, "Under Ubuntu I did this, and in ubuntu you just do this," that TLLTS is starting to sound like that Englishmen Ubuntu love fest that comes out every other week. We have enough guys pimping Ubuntu (LUGRadio, LottaLinux Links, Dann on PPC, Pat on his Laptop), we need 100% Slack guys. We all know that we have the ultimate pimp for SUSE so they need no other voices.
mowestusa
Um... Isn't NFS native to Solaris? I know it's not Linux native, although it's been ported. There are known performance issues (and bugs) with NFS4 on Linux.DaveQB wrote:Yeah, what is up with that ?? Linux's own native network protocol not supported by Konqueror ?Linc wrote: My onlty disappointment so far has been trying nfs on kde the same way as smb or fish.
Weird I say
They only make changes to Kubuntu. If you install Ubuntu, and then install KDE aferwards, it's just a stock Debian KDE desktop.Tsuroerusu wrote:Ubuntu has also done some customizations to KDE that I, personally, just can't stand, like how they set up the toolbars in Konqueror and the background in the file manager.Linc wrote:I'll keep that in mind as I explore a bit. I will say this though, I really notice the difference between Sackware and Ubuntu using KDE. Not that there wasn't a difference before but I was using 2 different GUI's. Now I am using the same kde on both types of Linux and kde+slackware@1ghz has few dificulties keeping up with kde+Ubuntu@3ghz.
