Install of Fedora Core 5

[mowestusa]

From what I have read, it seems the preferred method of installation is to use the 5 CD install disks. I would like to have a full Gnome and KDE install, so if that is what it takes I am willing. I have no DVD burner so the DVD is out as an option.

I know that a number of people have done the install. I know that Dann, Allan, and Pat have done the install as well.

Did you do the 5 CD install?

If you did the 5 CD did you download and burn or just buy the set?

What method did you use if different, and what was your experience, good, bad, or did not matter one way or the other?

After doing the install, what did you use to get MP3 support, DVD play back, and other multimedia? (Did you follow a guide on the internet, if so what is the address? Did you use the new Fedora Frog project?)

Thanks for the input.

mowestusa

[Tsuroerusu]

Did you do the 5 CD install?

If you did the 5 CD did you download and burn or just buy the set?

To do a default install, you just need CD1+CD2.

What method did you use if different, and what was your experience, good, bad, or did not matter one way or the other?

I like Fedora Core 5, except for two things:

1. It's KDE looks like crap, those BlueCurve icons are f*****n ugly, and if you try to remove it, it wants to remove all the KDE packages.
2. YUM is ass slow.

After doing the install, what did you use to get MP3 support, DVD play back, and other multimedia? (Did you follow a guide on the internet, if so what is the address? Did you use the new Fedora Frog project?)

You just need to add the Livna repository and then you're set, you can add it by installing this RPM: http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm

[Gomer_X]

From what I have read, it seems the preferred method of installation is to use the 5 CD install disks. I would like to have a full Gnome and KDE install, so if that is what it takes I am willing. I have no DVD burner so the DVD is out as an option.

CD install is common, but not preferred. On my laptop I did an NFS install, and on my desktop I did a hard disk install. Both are faster and less trouble prone than burning 5 CDs.

Details are in the install guide. If you have a partition that you're not going to overwrite during the install, put the ISO images there, then pick hard disk install. Just tell the installer what partition, and the path to the ISOs. An NFS install is a bit harder if you don't know how to set up NFS, but it's still pretty quick.

You can also do an FTP install, and download all the packages from the net. In that case you only need to download the first disk. In any case you don't need to burn more than the first disk, and that's just to have something to boot from.

After doing the install, what did you use to get MP3 support, DVD play back, and other multimedia? (Did you follow a guide on the internet, if so what is the address? Did you use the new Fedora Frog project?)

Fedora Frog is OK, but in my opinion installs way too much stuff. I just enable Livna repository (Tsuroerusu's instructions are good), and get the packages from there. Livna does the best job of working with Fedora extras without breaking your box.

I do 'yum install xine' to get all the video codecs. I do 'yum list gstreamer*' and look at the list it gives me to find MP3 codecs. I think there's a package called 'gstreamer-plugins-ugly' or something similar. This will give me full MP3 support in Totem.

For Macromedia flash, I just let Firefox find the plugins. I think there are some SELinux related problems with flash that need to bee worked around, but that may be fixed.

Also look at http://stanton-finley.net, as he has a good set of installation notes.

[Tsuroerusu]

I do 'yum install xine' to get all the video codecs. I do 'yum list gstreamer*' and look at the list it gives me to find MP3 codecs. I think there's a package called 'gstreamer-plugins-ugly' or something similar. This will give me full MP3 support in Totem.

A good thing to do is to get rid of the GStreamer version of Totem that is shipped with Fedora and do yum install totem-xine when the Livna repository is added.

Also, I've been playing around with Smart on my Mac mini, and frankly, I find it superior to YUM, but that's just my taste.

[mowestusa]

CD install is common, but not preferred. On my laptop I did an NFS install, and on my desktop I did a hard disk install. Both are faster and less trouble prone than burning 5 CDs.

Thanks Gomer, I looked at the install guide, and I don't think NFS, hard drive, or FTP fits my needs well. So I guess I will down load the CDs, but I'm unsure how many of them I need. Do I need all 5?

Tsuroerusu, mentioned that I only need 1 and 2 to get a full KDE and Gnome install. What is on 3, 4, and 5 that I would be missing?

Thanks for the replies. I will use that special repository to get things going. I just ordered my new Graphics card and Memory, so they will be here by next week. Then it is install time.

mowestusa

[Tsuroerusu]

Tsuroerusu, mentioned that I only need 1 and 2 to get a full KDE and Gnome install. What is on 3, 4, and 5 that I would be missing?

Actually, if you want both KDE and GNOME, you need more than CD1 and CD2, because the default install only contains GNOME stuff, even Qt, the widget library underlying KDE, is merely installed, if it is at all, on a default Fedora Core 5 install.

[Gomer_X]

A good thing to do is to get rid of the GStreamer version of Totem that is shipped with Fedora and do yum install totem-xine when the Livna repository is added.

Depends on your definition of "good." I prefer to leave Totem alone. I've used totem-xine before, but I have hopes that gstreamer will eventually get it together.

I just try not to mess with anything I don't have to. The closer I stick to default, the less problems I seem to have.

[Gomer_X]

CD install is common, but not preferred. On my laptop I did an NFS install, and on my desktop I did a hard disk install. Both are faster and less trouble prone than burning 5 CDs.

Thanks Gomer, I looked at the install guide, and I don't think NFS, hard drive, or FTP fits my needs well. So I guess I will down load the CDs, but I'm unsure how many of them I need. Do I need all 5?

The disks you need depend on what you want to install. The more common stuff is on the lower numbered disks.

You can do a "dektop" install, which is pretty minimal, then add anything else you want to with the package installer. If you install everything from CDs, you'll have to download updated packages anyway. I'd expect a few hundred megs of updates on a new install.

I'm not sure if you can do a desktop install with the first 2 CDs or not, since I haven't done a CD install since FC3. It would only take you a few minutes to go through the install to the point where it tells you what CDs you need. You can always bail out if you don't have enough CDs burned.

[Tsuroerusu]

I'm not sure if you can do a desktop install with the first 2 CDs or not, since I haven't done a CD install since FC3.

You can, if you just select "Customize later" when it asks you about packages, it will just install the default package set, and only need the first two CDs.

[mowestusa]

I'm not sure if you can do a desktop install with the first 2 CDs or not, since I haven't done a CD install since FC3.

You can, if you just select "Customize later" when it asks you about packages, it will just install the default package set, and only need the first two CDs.

From your answers, I'm assuming that you don't know of a site that lists the package sets on the CD's. I guess this is one nice thing about Slackware. You have package sets and you know exactly which CDs they are on, so if we don't want graphics, KDE, or it is only a server install, you know which CDs you need.

I did down load all of the CD's but I don't want to waste CD's either. I would like a rather complete install, KDE, Gnome, and server packages too. This will be my fun system, where I will want to watch videos, play music, do midi work, and record audio. I would also like to use this computer to update my website, and perhaps learn a little programming too.

Gomer, I understand your point about installing a lot of packages that I won't ever use or that I will have to upgrade. I don't want to do a lot of that either.

Steve
mowestusa

[Tsuroerusu]

I'm not sure if you can do a desktop install with the first 2 CDs or not, since I haven't done a CD install since FC3.

You can, if you just select "Customize later" when it asks you about packages, it will just install the default package set, and only need the first two CDs.

From your answers, I'm assuming that you don't know of a site that lists the package sets on the CD's. I guess this is one nice thing about Slackware. You have package sets and you know exactly which CDs they are on, so if we don't want graphics, KDE, or it is only a server install, you know which CDs you need.

I did down load all of the CD's but I don't want to waste CD's either. I would like a rather complete install, KDE, Gnome, and server packages too. This will be my fun system, where I will want to watch videos, play music, do midi work, and record audio. I would also like to use this computer to update my website, and perhaps learn a little programming too.

Gomer, I understand your point about installing a lot of packages that I won't ever use or that I will have to upgrade. I don't want to do a lot of that either.

Steve
mowestusa

I don't understand why you don't just install the default install and then pull the rest you need off the internet.

[Gomer_X]

I'm not sure if you can do a desktop install with the first 2 CDs or not, since I haven't done a CD install since FC3.

You can, if you just select "Customize later" when it asks you about packages, it will just install the default package set, and only need the first two CDs.

From your answers, I'm assuming that you don't know of a site that lists the package sets on the CD's. I guess this is one nice thing about Slackware. You have package sets and you know exactly which CDs they are on, so if we don't want graphics, KDE, or it is only a server install, you know which CDs you need.

There are lists of what packages are on what disks, but they won't help you much. Fedora is not Slackware. All the packages from a specific group are not necessarily on one disk together. There's just too much stuff to organize that way. Packages can depend on packages on other disks.

I still think doing some kind of base install then adding stuff later is the best option. You've been told that about 6 times now, and you don't seem interested. There's just no way to install nearly everything in the distro from CDs and not burn a lot fo CDs.

[mowestusa]

There are lists of what packages are on what disks, but they won't help you much. Fedora is not Slackware. All the packages from a specific group are not necessarily on one disk together. There's just too much stuff to organize that way. Packages can depend on packages on other disks.

I still think doing some kind of base install then adding stuff later is the best option. You've been told that about 6 times now, and you don't seem interested. There's just no way to install nearly everything in the distro from CDs and not burn a lot fo CDs.

Okay, I get it I will try the base install, thanks for the help.

mowestusa