schotty wrote:Tsuroerusu wrote: and referred to me as a SUSE zealot, whore
Okay, understood. Hoever, if you WERE a whore, would you answer the following two questions:
Do you profit from youre whoredom
Would you write a book for us "amateur" ho's that need some aid or guidance.
Thanks.
Whore in training.
As I said in my fairly long reply on page one of this topic, I like SUSE because I think it's a good distro, aka technical reasons, NOT because I get paid by Novell, SUSE or anyone else for that matter, in fact, you could say that I am a customer of Novell, because I have bought the boxed version of SUSE Linux 10.0 when it was on sale, because I really liked 10.0 and then I thought "What the heck, let's get a boxed Linux distro for fun" and went ahead and bought it, and just to even things out here, I have also bought an OpenBSD 3.9 CD-set, because I wanted to support them.
I am not quite sure how to answer this:
"Would you write a book for us "amateur" ho's that need some aid or guidance."
As I don't want anyone to be a zealot of any particular thing, if you wanna be a zealot, be a zealot of free speech and democracy, because I think that's something that should be essential in any society.
TankCatNinjaFish wrote:The problem with mandriva is that its one more distro that doesn't offer anything beyond what I already know. Its package selection is far inferior to Debian or FreeBSD, its fairly resource heavy, its RPM based, it has no presence on the business/corporate level.
Well, as Judland said, this thread was not started to say Mandriva was better than something else, but just to say that it's not a bad distro, because it is not, it may not be for everyone, but the same counts for all distros, I personally prefer RPM to Debian's package management because I find it simpler to use and understand, but that's just ME, that's not to say an RPM based distro is better for mr. Ian Murdock
To the thing you say about Mandriva being resource hungry, I'd like to make a comment. I think it's fair for a distro to say "this is our minimum system requirement so that we can focus on creating a distro for X, Y and Z", if it's too much for you, then don't use it. If every distro ALWAYS has to keep backwards compatibility for old hardware as a top priority, or close to it, we'll never get anywhere very quickly, for example if Mandriva HAD to be able to run on say a Pentium MMX with 32 MB of RAM, they wouldn't be able to provide a good out of the box KDE experience, sure they could try to autodetect the user's system resources and install IceWM or Xfce instead of KDE, but again, that depends on how far you wanna take the argument of backwards compatibility. Xfce is a very nice desktop environment, but personally, I prefer KDE or GNOME (Yes, I DO NOT hate or seriously dislike GNOME at all). Because I like a very "complete", highly featured- and integrated desktop environment, for example, for me, I like an email client with a shitload of features like KMail or Thunderbird (I prefer KMail, because it integrates with a lot of KDE stuff, plus I generally like it better than Thunderbird), the same thing is the case for my calendar, and KDE's KOrganizer fits that role very nicely.
We do have distros that focus on being usable on very old hardware, and that's great, because that way a lot of people in poorer nations can use GNU/Linux and free software, but I also think it's good to have distros that focus on running on *newer* hardware, and notice I put some asterisks around "newer", so that the people who'd like it, can have a very fancy desktop with all kinds of things going on and dancing around and doing this and that.
The reason for the two asterisks, is that, for example my own computer is an AMD Athlon Barton XP 3200+ with 1 GB of RAM, Geforce4 Ti-4200 graphics card and a Creative Soundblaster 5.1 Live soundcard, this is not new hardware, by today's standards, it's old, it's technology from 2001 or maybe even earlier and the latest releases of Mandriva, SUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu, MEPIS, KNOPPIX etc. etc. run very well with all the bells and whistles turned on, I wouldn't necessarily call that "resource hungry", but that's just my own personal opinion.
I think the argument some people makes against distros such as Fedora, Mandriva and SUSE about them being big, bloated and resource hungry is bullcrap in a lot of cases (Not all), because what will turn new users on to Linux? WindowMaker (Which, from a Windows user's perspective, looks very weird) or KDE/GNOME with something like Xgl or AIGLX (I've heard a little birdie singing about NVIDIA releasing AIGLX support for their drivers this month with the 9XXX line of drivers)?
Mandriva's official system requirements is:
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Processor: an x586-class or above processor is required. This includes Intel Pentium I/II/III/IV/Celeron, AMD K6/II/III, AMD Duron, AMD Athlon/XP/MP. Hyper-Threading is supported. SMP multi-processor machines are supported. (*)
Memory: at least 64 MB is required (32 MB for text-install); 128 MB or more is recommended.
Hard disk size: At least 500MB is required, 1GB is recommended. Large capacity drives are supported (up to 250GB).
Source:
http://www.mandriva.com/en/community/re ... features13
SUSE's official system requirements is:
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Processor: Intel: Pentium 1-4 or Xeon; AMD: Duron, Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon MP, Athlon 64, Sempron or Opteron
Main memory: At least 256 MB; 512 MB recommended
Hard disk: At least 500 MB for minimal system; 2.5 GB recommended for standard system
Source:
http://en.opensuse.org/Sysreqs
I've run SUSE 10.1 (With GNOME, I havn't tested KDE on this machine, I should really do that though) on a 550 MHz Pentium III machine with 256 MB of RAM, and the amount of RAM was relatively fine, when we consider it's the minimum requirement, but the CPU was too slow for the experience to be optimal, however XGL actually ran quite well, I have run 10.0 (Both KDE and GNOME) on another machine (Before the motherboard died) which was a 800 MHz Pentium III with 256 MB of RAM with a little faster bus, and that ran fine.
So from the examples above, I can say that both Mandriva and SUSE, and proably Fedora as well, will run smoothly on a machine from within the last five years. I don't see this as being "resource hungry", I see it as setting a clear direction for your distro, and defining what you are going for, because if you look at SUSE's out of the box KDE desktop, and out of the box GNOME desktop, both is something you can show to a Windows user and really say "Dude, this is cool!", I don't think your typical Windows user is gonna be so impressed with WindowMaker or Xfce (I'm not bashing any of them, especially since I personally do like Xfce), as those aim to be very simple and fast, and not necessarily a complete desktop environment (Xfce is very very close to this, but I view it as kind of semi-DE).
TankCatNinjaFish wrote:Tsuroerusu wrote:
I AM IN NO A WAY A ZEALOT OF SUSE
Bolding and underlining is cruise control for coolness.
I bolded and underlined that phrase because I really wanted to highlight and stress the point the phrase makes, not to be cool or anything.
Wally Balljacker wrote:Tsuroerusu wrote:
I AM IN NO A WAY A ZEALOT OF SUSE
Dude, we'll be having a conversation about Arch, or Mandriva, or some other distribution, and you'll come in and say: "Hey, having a problem with Firefox? Try SUSE Linux 10.1, or SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop!". Don't deny it, I can pull up a number of old threads where you start talking about SUSE for no reason at all. I guess we all try and pimp our favorite distros to some extent, but don't try and act like you're not a SUSE fanatic when we all know you are.
And Slackware havn't been brought up at times when it wasn't relavant?
Seriously, I don't wanna argue with you about this, just to quote the character named Trunks from the DragonBall Z anime series, when asked if his sword was the thing that gave him enormous powers (Which it wasn't, he was just plain strong),
"Believe what you want to".
I'm saying the same thing to you. Believe what you want to. I have stated what I say is the truth, and then you can twist it in any way you want to, or do something else like just not believe what I'm saying, I really don't care, because I am being honest, then you can believe my words if YOU think that what I am saying is the truth.
But I refuse to be more or less insulted as a "SUSE fanatic", "SUSE whore", "SLED whore", "SUSE zealot" etc. etc., that is the only thing I ask of you, I don't ask you to believe what I say, I'd certainly hope you do, but I only ask you and certain other people to not refer to me using any of the phrases, or ones similar to, the ones I just stated, you're welcome to when SUSE 10.2 comes out to say "That'll certainly make Troels happy", or "Our resident SUSE fan is jumping up and down about this event", because those two or similar I can take as a fun joke, but harash words like "whore" or "zealot" actually starts to hurt my feelings after a while, I can certainly take a joke, don't get me wrong, but I do have feelings, as do anybody when it really comes down to it.
